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PLATO’S ATLANTIS

Posted by anthonynorth on October 24, 2007

underwater-city.jpg One of the most written about mysteries is that of Atlantis. What does it mean? What is it? Where is it? What influence does it have on us? Does it exist in the first place? So many questions, so many ideas.
For this essay I thought I’d go back to source and see if we can learn anything about its conception. And the beginning of the myth takes us back to that great philosopher, Plato, who first wrote about it. But can we find hints in Plato’s life and mind itself?

EARLY LIFE

Being nothing less than the father and instigator of western philosophy, Plato was born in Athens in 428BC to one of the great political families of his time. His actual name was Aristocles, Plato being a nickname which means ‘broad and flat’, referring to his shoulders which he used to great effect as a wrestler.
Indeed, it was thought that Plato would be a great wrestler. But his talent was shown to be inferior and he tried being a poet, but was equally lacking in talent.
Stuck for a profession, Plato began to think about his future. Statesman or philosopher were uppermost in his mind, but once he had heard Socrates speaking, he knew where his future lay; in philosophy – particularly in the ideas of Pythagoras.

PYTHAGORAS AND FORMS

Pythagoras had been an enigmatic figure. On the one hand a philosopher and on the other a mystic who was believed to have performed more than the odd miracle, he is seen today as the instigator of the quasi-religious cult of the Pythagoreans.
Believing that behind the chaotic world of appearance there existed a harmonious world of numbers, he is seen as the father of mathematics.
Plato was fascinated by this harmonious world below the consciousness we appreciate. He developed it into his philosophy of ‘Ideal Forms’. To Plato this fundamental realm was a world of ideas and forms.
Existing in an eternal state of unchanging reality, everything that could be conceived in the conscious world already existed as an idea or form in this other world. Hence, nothing could be invented, merely rediscovered. The true reality was one of images which fed the conscious mind.

FIRST HINT OF ATLANTIS?

We can immediately see here that Plato was more concerned with a world of images and symbols than with the world we experience. And it is attractive to suggest that Atlantis was not a true reality of the conscious world, but a symbol within the abstract inner-world of ideas.
But why would he possibly want to create such an image if it held no existence in the real world? Because, at heart, Plato wanted to create this ideal form within the real world. Plato lived towards the end of the Athenian war with Sparta. And as Athens lost the fight, he experienced the end of Athenian democracy and the imposed rule of tyranny which followed.
The new leaders forcing Socrates to commit suicide for offending the gods, they made it difficult for Plato to remain in Athens, and for many years he traveled before opening his Academy in 386BC.

THE REPUBLIC

Uppermost in his mind during his travels was a growing philosophy of the perfect state, or utopia. Dictatorship, he saw, was wrong. But democracy had also failed, resulting in defeat for Athens. Hence, he devised his Ideal Republic.
In this republic there were to be no possessions or marriage. Everything was owned by the state and children were removed from their mothers, educated communally, classed the state as their parent, and all citizens as brothers and sisters.
All would be educated up to the age of twenty, when the less intelligent would leave and take up menial duties within the state. The remainder would carry on their education for a further ten years, where the less intelligent would be dropped to join the military. The supremely intelligent who remained would then study philosophy until the age of fifty, when they would form the ruling class of philosopher-leaders.

POLITICAL INSURGENCY

This political ideology bears an uncanny resemblance to the ideal state of Atlantis conceived in Plato’s dialogues.
During his lifetime he several times attempted to bring his political philosophy to fruition in Syracuse, but each time he failed to persuade the rulers. At one stage he was imprisoned for his interference, and on another occasion he was sent back to Athens a slave, luckily bought at the slave market by someone who knew him, thus gaining his freedom.
This would have left him frustrated. And it is easy to see the possibility that, in another attempt to create his utopia, he built a myth about a previous utopia – a great, magnificent place – that was destroyed when his philosophy was dropped, descending the citizens into corruption, a state that existed in Athens in Plato’s time.

THE GREAT METAPHOR

As we can see, the whole of Plato’s life and philosophy suggests that Atlantis was a metaphor for a world he was determined to have imposed. Atlantis was his political philosophy in action, complete with an object lesson in what failure of his philosophy would mean.
And in creating the metaphor, he was manipulating his inner-world of ideal forms, creating an eternal ideal to be rediscovered at some time in the future. Indeed, at the centre of Atlantis we find the Royal City, and the very design of the city gives valuable evidence that Atlantis was not so much a reality as a creation of the mind.

THE ROYAL CITY

At the centre of the city was a temple to Poseidon. This temple existed on an island surrounded by a circular canal 600ft wide. Around this canal was a circle of land 1,200ft wide, surrounded by another circular canal also 1,200ft wide.
There was then another circle of land 1,800ft wide surrounded by a third circular canal 1,800ft wide. From the central island out to sea was a further subterranean canal, and around the entire complex was a huge stone wall.
This design is significant. Fundamental to Plato’s philosophy was Pythagorean mysticism. And throughout the ancient world our ancestors have left a symbol that defines their mysticism.

A SYMBOL LIKE NO OTHER

This is the mandala. Sometimes drawn as a spiral, at other times as a series of concentric circles, its circular shape represents ultimate wholeness, and the complete construction represents the point at which the microcosm and macrocosm meet – the point at which the real world interposes with the ethereal.
The various rings represent the levels of consciousness that must be stripped away before meeting the god-head at the centre, and from the outside to the centre is a path the mystic must travel down to gain unity.
If the reader now draws the above plan of the Royal City of Atlantis, you will be drawing a typical mandala with seven concentric rings, complete with the path from the outer edge to the centre, and in that centre, the temple that represents the god-head.
I put it to you that, no matter what evidence may be found of a ‘real’ Atlantis, the original conception was a metaphor of the mystical path we must trace in the mandala – and achieved in the real world through realization of Plato’s philosophy.

© Anthony North, October 2007

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17 Responses to “PLATO’S ATLANTIS”

  1. poseidonsmuse said

    I have never thought of Plato’s description as a mandala before…That is rather interesting. Perhaps he was an ancient incarnation of Edgar Cayce (;)).

    Now, in my research on Atlantis (I’m a Muse of Poseidon…what can I say! Lol!), I have been particularly intrigued in the DNA (mitochondrial – maternal) studies and theories/hypotheses on this enigmatic culture. A particularly good website to get you started is located here:

    http://www.redicecreations.com

    Perhaps the evidence for Atlantis lies within our own DNA…rather than at the bottom of the sea floor…

  2. Hi PM,
    Sadly, I’ve had to take the post off the end of the link, so people will have to search to access it on the site. This is because of the design of this template. Long urls stretch the comment box and the page and sidebar merge. Sorry about that.
    Yes, there are many ideas concerning Atlantis, and mine is just one of them. I’ve come across the DNA one before, and it’s certainly interesting.
    Of course, being a Muse of Poseidon I realise you’ll have inside knowledge :-)
    Mindst you, the subject of lost civilisations is far wider than Atantis, and I’ve quite a lot to say about that, too. Clicking my Lost Civilisation category accesses my thoughts.

  3. poseidonsmuse said

    No worries…sorry about the long URL. I shall toodle on over to your links and investigate the Lost Civilisation section…

  4. Caroline Malley said

    As for me, I believe Plato was describing a real city and Atlantis really did exist, but it too was destoyed and along with it the idea that benevolent leadership will last for any length of time. The Spartans always have their day.

  5. Hi Caroline,
    You may well be right. I’m simply pointing out a peculiarity about the design, and its relationship to Plato’s philosophy.
    Mindst you, interestingly you bring up politics. It nearly always surfaces regarding Atlantis.

  6. Techne said

    Anthony,

    Speaking of Edgar Cayce, he predicted that Atlantis would rise somewhere in the Caribbean.

    He appears to have been partially correct.

    http://www.atlantis.com/

    As to whether this is seredipity or someone’s expensive idea of a joke I’m not sure, but I’m pretty sure this wasn’t what Plato had in mind either.

    However I would personally enjoy spending a couple of weeks there if someone wants to sponsor me. I promise I’ll report back!

    Techne

    P.S. – I tend to agree with you on this being Plato’s mental Shangri-La.

  7. Hi Techne,
    You little devil, you :-)

  8. Ven said

    Sorry but Socrates did not commit suicide. He was tried, found guilty by the sophists, and put to death.

    A gun is held to your head to take a pill that would kill you. You have an option to escape but everything you preached and taught would be for nothing because you become a hypocrite. Do you take the pill to serve your sentence which would spark a new revolution for philosophy and become a martyr; ergo, a new world of ideas and science is born. Or, do you escape, shame your name, and looked down upon however still alive? Socrates cared more than just saving himself.

    Anytime I read about someone saying Socrates supposedly killed himself I disregard anything the person says as he clearly does not understand. Even to say forced to commit suicide is wrong. He was simply tried, found guilty, and served his sentence which was death.

  9. red pill junkie said

    Very interesting to link tibetan mandalas with Atlantis’ city plan.

    Do you think it’s got something to do with the current phenomenon of crop circles?

  10. Hi Ven,
    You said:

    ‘Anytime I read about someone saying Socrates supposedly killed himself I disregard anything the person says as he clearly does not understand’.

    Anyone who takes such a stand on a single statement and disregard everything else will never learn anything.

    Hi Red,
    If you want to think the Royal City of Atlantis was a crop circle, I’m with you :-)

  11. A random byte on the net said

    Personally, believe that the “secret” of Atlantis lies not in the ancient past, but in Helike. Helike was the cultural jewel of Greece, and was itself destroyed cataclysmically in a blindingy short time. It happened a few years before Plato wrote about Atlantis, and I believe that he used the a myth that was aready around as a tool to deal with the very real and very overwhelming trauma of having lost the city state of Helike. It was a substitution that allowed him the psychological space to deal with and record the trauma of Helike’s loss.

    http://www.helike.org/
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helike

  12. red pill junkie said

    (LOL) Now C’mon Anthony :-)

    What I meant is if you find a conmnecion between the concentric circles found in both Plato’s description of Atlantis, the use of concentric circles in tibetan mandalas, the depiction of concentric circles and spirals in all kinds of cultures, like celtic petrogliphs, or even Nazca lines (the spiral tail of the monkey), and the recurrence of concentric circles that appear in the crop formations, whether thes formations are man-made or not is for this question inconsequencial.

    Archeologists theorize that the recurrence of spirals in petroglipsh are due to the visions of shamans under the inffluence of psychoropich drugs. Do you think your perchance that your alter-ego Plato ;-) was under the inffluence of some kind of egean LSD when writing Critias?

    I find it also interesting that, according to Urantia’s book, the symbol of Micael (Jesus, the creator of our local Universe) is three blue concentric circles. That’s also the adopted logo of the whole Urantia organization.

  13. Good morning A Random Byte on the Net,
    I agree there are many possibilities for the idea of an island that sank. The most obvious is distant memory of the Thera eruption. But whilst this may be so, we are still left with the possibility that Plato still coloured the idea with his own ideas in order to produce a metaphor.

    Hi Red,
    Sorry about that. Couldn’t resist, I’m afraid. It was a strange night last night.
    The mandala fascinated me, and I’m sure it is related to the ancient labyrinth, often called Troys, which seems to imply ‘turning’, or ‘dizziness’. In this sense, I’m reminded of the ‘turning’ actions in hysterical tribal ritual, which used dizziness to aid transcendence. This would make the action and symbol part of my idea of universal psychology – i.e. prompters in the human mind that will out in all society’s cultural expression, no matter where they are in the world. This could explain its universality.
    Crop circles could come into it. I’ll be doing a post on these some time. I’m satisfied that basic circles could be natural – the pictograms not. Their apparent increase could be put down to atmospheric and EM changes due to global warming. If so, then during the end of the last ice age, they would have been particularly prevalent – and possibly harbingers of disaster.
    It may even be that hysterical tribal ritual was a re-enactment of the influence of crop circles.
    Damn, I’m maybe saying too much here and ruining my future post. Don’t read this :-)

  14. Mick Saunders said

    Platos atlantis is the abode of Osiris or abode of the blessed if your prefer.
    Stonehenge captures identical symbolism in a different way.

    The abode of Osiris was 7 decans across and is the origin of the 7 rings.

    The atlantean city rings and retaining wall are measured in stades based on the fibonacci series or Phi (quoting in feet is a very, very bad idea…you’ve instantly destroyed the relationship).

    You want to know more you can mail me in private.

    regards,

    Mick Saunders

  15. According to what Plato wrote, Atlantis could be ancient and very ancient Mexico City. Red, black and white colors are found on the buildings, and paintings. Altars abound; elephants were once here, even the Aztecs had a city of rivers for irrigation and the present city is sinking ontop of the Aztec city.

  16. Hi Sandy,
    Yes, there are many theories that place Atlantis in the Americas. They could well be right, but there’s no evidence yet, as far as I’m aware.

  17. Eamonmc said

    Hello all;

    It does not really matter what we find out about atlantis, Could be in europe, the atlantic, americas, but to most of the “Dedicated believers” They will not see it unless it jumps out of the sea flying machines, spaceships, laser guns and all. I believe there was an atlantis, but it is not what people have come to understand atlantis as from the media.

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