TT #8 – HOW TO UNDERSTAND THE PAST
Posted by anthonynorth on April 23, 2008
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Time for THursday THirteen #8, and I’m still having fun. Further, I’d like to thank everyone who’s posted comments over the weeks. Your input is always appreciated, whether with good comments or bad.
This week I’d like to take my somewhat off-beat mind on a journey through history. Like most things, I’ve got my ideas on it. Indeed, I’ve a few opinions on why history happens like it does. Let’s see if you agree.
COUNTDOWN
13. They say you have to know what happened in the past so as not to repeat the same mistakes again. This is quite true, but it leaves out something important. Namely, why things happen. This requires more than history. It requires us to look at the processses behind it.
12. The first thing to understand about history is that it is a terrible guide to what happened in the past. The first reason for this is that ‘history’ is old contemporary events, initially left as a record by those people who had the most power to have their ‘version’ stand the test of time. Hence, history is mainly the version of the victor.
11. The second important point about history is that it tells us more about the present than the past. By this I mean history is constantly re-written by modern historians who place today’s values on the past. Hence, history becomes a continually changing process, forever reinventing the past.
10. So, the first processes we have to understand about history is the process by which history is recorded and analysed. It is, basically, lies. Hence, to understand history, you have to read deeper than what the historian tells you.
9. In order to feel important, the historian delves deeper and deeper into specific events of history, so that we know everything about the characters involved (points 12 and 11 excepted), including the colour of their toothbrush. In many respects, this is pointless. First, their voluminous tomes put people off history. And second, it does not allow the overall patterns of history to become evident.
8. True historical analysis should be about such patterns – processes in history that seem to repeat. Now, this can be a dangerous affair. People like Marx identified such patterns, and it led to communism, totalitarianism, death. So, in searching for patterns, we must realise that it is only a theory, not a reality, and in all things, knowledge should be moderate.
7. One thing to understand about the past is that, contrary to what we think about our advancement, nothing changes except culture. Below culture, we’re all exactly the same. Now, you may say this isn’t true. For instance, we no longer believe in an ethereal, non-existant higher entity like God. No? Okay, what would happen if everybody had to pay off their debts? The world would go bust, ‘cos the money isn’t actually there. Rather we’re ruled by an ethereal, non-existant higher entity called Credit.
6. The con that we think different comes from the science revolution, beginning some 400 years ago – which is, itself, interesting. Prior to this, most of history was worked around the idea of the supernatural, i.e. religion. Science banished religion, but rather than being ‘rational’ today, we’ve simply see-sawed from one extreme to another. To realise this would be a marvellous understanding of the processes of history. It would tell us that we could now have the knowledge to find a true balance betwen these two mentalities.
5. The ‘culture’ of the past has often changed, and when it does, it is usually down to a book – think Bible, Newtons’s Principia, Marx’s Das Kapital. This book will echo the frustrations of the time, and a person, or a movement, will come along and change the way we view things. This is the moment the paradigm changes, and a new ‘culture’ of history will inevitably rise.
4. This new idea will fuel certain personalities, who will become fanatical about the new idea. By force, or theory, they will impose the idea on the people, but by the very nature of their psychology, the idea will be tinged with their own brand of fanaticism. Hence, at every turn of history, the new idea is radical, and as such, it will begin to build up frustrations in the populace – which is, of course, the process through which the new idea eventually rises, as shown above.
3. Does this out a general theory of advancement? I think it does. It tells us that historical change has frustrations built into the system, guaranteeing that every phase of history will end in revolution. Frustration seems to be the driving force of social and cultural evolution.
2. Frustrations begin to be noted by people at a specific point in the process. A new idea can lead to a new empire or philosophy. This gives people meaning and direction. As long as an impulse to further the idea is abroad, the people go along with it. But eventually the momentum ceases. Decisions become based on pragmatism, and mere problem-solving the only ideal. Basically, this period comes at the end of the system. Oh dear. Rather pragmatic nowadays, aren’t we?
1. Am I as bad as the historian, imposing my views on history like this? Yes! But does it make sense?
(c) Anthony North, April 2008



pjazzypar said
Very interesting and educational post. I read the first volume of Marx’s Kapital. He was indeed frustrated.
anthonynorth said
Hi Pjazzypar,
Thanks for that. But was Marx as frustrated as the modern reader reading it?
SJ Reidhead said
I did a book review the other day about a leading expert of Native American photography. She has created this list of things a historian must do before using old photographs. From her list, it became obvious to me she knew nothing about history as a “science” or a process or she would realize her theory is a crock. One of her criteria is one must try and ascertain how a subject is feeling about being photographed, which is a joke in itself. My current field of writing and research is the Wild West, which basically proves this woman an idiot. How on earth does one ascertain how Billy Clanton, Frank McLaury & Tom McLaury are feeling about being laid out in that hearse following the Gunfight at the OK Corral. They were like Marley, dead as door-nails. Explain how I figure out what they were feeling about being photographed?
My editor wasn’t happy with my summation of her book: Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
I think the worst tendency the “historian” has is to think that people are different today than they were yesterday. Deep down we are all the same with the same motivators. The times may change and the props may change, but love, hate, fear, joy, greed, jealousy, etc. remain the same. It is also wrong to denigrate cultures other than one’s own (as did this writer) by thinking because the subject of her book was a “Minority” they did not have the same motivators and thoughts as do we all. In order to turn them into an oppressed minority (which this bunch wasn’t) she dehumanized them.
SJR
The Pink Flamingo
anthonynorth said
Hi SJ,
I think in the deep past people were slightly different – they thought more holistically than we do. Since the Scientific Revolution we’ve become very compartmentalised and rational – at least, we think we have. But in terms of emotions, etc, yes, we’re pretty much the same.
I hate it when previous cultures are denigrated in the way you say. It is, I suppose, the arrogance of every society to think it is at the apex of social evolution.
We’re not.
Chelle Y. said
Wow, you always make me think. So much, that my head hurts right now!
anthonynorth said
Hi Chelle Y,
Many thanks. That’s good. I think
opengroveclaudia said
I wonder if we ever really know the reason something happened. Even in my own life, there are so many perspectives and sometimes the truth is the perspective that’s not expressed. Instead, we hear from the judgmental or critical. Fascinating thinking!
Happy TT!
anthonynorth said
Hi Opengroveclaudia,
Thanks for that. Yes, you speak much sense there.
pussreboots said
Marx isn’t that frustrating to read. I think most things end in revolution just on different scales. Happy TT.
Nicole Austin said
Yes, what lands in the history books definitely depends on who has won the right to put their version of events down on paper. Its well known that when police interview witnesses after a crime each will put a different twist on events. Our personal experiences affect how we see things and how we interpret what we’ve seen.
Susan Helene Gottfried said
Anthony, you rule. I’ve often thought about how we change history to suit our morals, but I’d never put a long string of thoughts like this together. Be careful; you just might wear off on me!
Judi said
Interesting. I like the idea of #11. We all see things differently depending on the history we bring with us.
SandyCarlson said
No. 11 is why reading the stuff is so much fun! One of my favorite examples of revision in process is Mourt’s Relation, written by a now-anonymouse PR guy for the Pilgrims on Cape Cod. What God provided because the white guys showed up was just amazing. So what if they locals were still using it…
This is a provocative post! Thanks.
Lori said
I was never much of a history buff. I think its a guy thing:) Happy TT.
Journeywoman said
GREAT post. I always say that history isn’t given the proper respect.
Forgetfulone said
It does make sense. Your TT is much “deeper” than mine this week! Very good writing!
Lilibeth said
Some of it makes sense; some of it probably needs a book to explain. I tend to think that we understand history better if we go to the sources closest to the events. However slanted, they have to be more accurate than our armchair historians interpreting history in the light of present prejudices and wistful thinkings. And I don’t think that history is always told by the victors; sometimes the voices of the persecuted survive because of sheer volume. I do enjoy reading history. Human beings are forever the same and there is nothing really new under the sun. I agree with that.
anthonynorth said
Good morning Pussreboots,
You’re right about revolution. One thing I find frustrating about Marx is his naivety. Never mind whether his ideas were good or bad – it was the idea that a dictatorship could rise as an interim, and then dissolve away to the classless society.
People always cling to power.
Hi Nicole,
This is so true. I saw it all the time during my service in the RAF – we all have a different way of seeing things. I have a bit of a mantra that goes: Reality, like time, is relative to the observer.
Hi Susan,
Many thanks. I can live with that
Hi Judi,
So very true. Thanks for that.
Hi Sandy,
I like the way you put it. Many thanks.
anthonynorth said
Hi Lori,
I know many women who would disagree with that
Hi Journeywoman,
I couldn’t agree more. And I think a big part of the problem is the big history books written by the historians, making it too exclusive and inaccessible to the general public.
Hi Forgetfulone,
Thanks for that. Much appreciated.
Hi Lilibeth,
Thanks for your comment. Yes, history repeats – only the ‘culture’ changes, I’m convinced of that.
Angela said
Yes you make since. Although when I was younger I definitely saw NO point in learning all of that history. When my teachers would explain that history repeats itself, I told them I’d learn it the second or third time around – whenver it happened during my lifetime! lol
I am still not terribly interested in most historical events…
Happy TT!
I played too of course.
Penelope Anne said
Excellent TT, I love when someone posts an educational one, which I try to mix in every month or so.
Happy TT, mine is posted.
Phyllis said
Congrats on being featured on TT~
anthonynorth said
Hi Angela,
Thanks for that. Like you, I had little interest in history when young. It was when I began to think that things changed.
Hi Penelope Anne,
Many thanks. I always try to do posts that make people think. Although I also like to be entertaining now and again.
Hi Phyllis,
Yes, I’ve seen me on the site. Many thanks for that.
Working at Home Mom said
Great post. Mine is up.
anthonynorth said
Hi Working At Home Mom,
Thanks for that.
she said
very interesting tt. thanks!
be sure to visit mine.
anthonynorth said
Hi She,
Many thanks for your visit.
storyteller said
Fascinating post … well considered and presented. Of course, it is about ‘HIS STORY’ … (with primary emphasis on ‘story’ and secondary emphasis on ‘his’ … for I suspect HERSTORY is similarly skewed by point of view and purpose). One of my favorite quotes says something about ‘the problem with history being that we don’t learn from history’ ;–)
Hugs and blessings,
anthonynorth said
Hi Storyteller,
So very true – on both your points. Thanks for the comment.
CrAzY Working Mom said
Very well said!
Happy TT
Shaunesay said
Definitely a lot to think about. I’ve always wondered what kind of domino effect would happen if historical events were related exactly as they happened from all sides, rather than as you said, from the victor’s point of view.
Happy TT!
rikez said
i think history is important for all of us. without yesterday, there is no today, and tomorow will never come?
alisonwonderland said
Historian Gerda Lerner wrote: “All human beings are practicing historians. … We live our lives; we tell our stories. It is as natural as breathing.”
happy TT! thanks for stopping by!
anthonynorth said
Hi CrAzY Working Mom,
Thanks for that. Glad you liked it.
Hi Shaunesay,
Many thanks for that comment. If we had all the facts from all the sides in everything in history, it would be a strange world, I think – we would come over as always being paranoid and quite mad
Hi Rikez,
That’s very true. Thankyou for that comment.
Hi Alisonwonderland,
That’s a good quote. Thanks for that.
diamondsandrust said
Hi Anthony,
I just don’t Know how you manage it,and then are polite enough to answer everybody.
Super post.
To point 5; I really think it’s time for you to write one of those. A mix on the effects of the Agrarian Revolution and Globalisation.
sarsen56 said
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anthonynorth said
Hi Diamondsandrust,
Thanks for that. I value every comment I get, and always like to answer. As for the book, I’ve written over 30 on various subjects, but apart from a couple of low circulation tomes on the paranormal, publishers don’t seem to like me
Infact, I have a mountain of rejection slips numbering over a thousand, accrued over the last 20 years or so.
Hi Sarsen56,
Thanks for that illuminating comment
Carol_Noble said
Anthony, I love history, but I have found so often that much history is either distorted, misconstrued, ignored or deliberately censored. Nevertheless, without a knowledge of history we find life very difficult. I am thinking of a man who has lost the ability to remember what happened just a few minutes ago – this lack of personal history, especially so recent, makes life extremely difficult for him and his family who care for him. I certainly wouldn’t want to be like that. I think even an erroneous memory of an event in the past is better than none at all!
Like it or not, we do think differently to those in the past. Our values are different and that affects everything we do. Yes, we all have the same sorts of vices and virtues, but how we deal with them and present them to the world/society at large does change. You are right when you say culture matters. The emphasis and values we place on a specific aspect of our lives can vary greatly depending upon the culture we live within.
I know that throughout my own lifetime the values and attitudes within my society have changed dramatically, and if I can see these changes how many others have there been? Lots is my answer.
For example, people today hate smokers so much that they have managed to change the attitude of smokers even though the government has kept smoking tobacco legal.
I also have watched as the emphasis of Christianity at Easter has changed from the willingness of Jesus to sacrifice himself for the rest of mankind to the resurrection of the salvation. Yes, both were always within the creed, but the way society viewed this event has changed. As a child, I remember Good Friday, the day of the crucifixion, was always celebrated strongly by marches, remembrance services, et al, stopping traffic, and generally being a communal event. Now, Good Friday has become a day like any other bank holiday with shops open and other events taking place. Instead we have a quiet Christian celebration on the Sunday, resulting in many people who are not Christian, or have no faith, being allowed to ignore the feast as a whole. The commercial aspect is now strong with many chocolate easter eggs on sale, cards and other memoribilia, but the importance of this religious event has been lost.
I am no longer a Christian, however, I was raised as one, and find many values within that faith. There are similar values in other faiths too. But this is a personal memory, and observation over time, and it has had an impact on my thinking. I now can see for myself how attitudes, actions and words can change over time affecting how we look at history and compare it with the present time.
I could say a lot more on this, but I will then be writing a book of my own, and I don’t want to do that, certainly not here. Your views are very thought provoking and on this subject I am far more in agreement than some of the respondents here. We all consider your views worth thinking about and that is something you should be proud of. We all need to have time just thinking, whatever the subject, and you help us do that. Thank you.
anthonynorth said
Hi Carol,
Thanks for those kind words. I’d say one of the main reasons I write is simply to question, to get people thinking. This is far more important than any ‘truth’ there may be in any one of my ideas.
One point about Good Friday, it is right that the culture has changed, and such culture, as I say, is always a representation of what we are. Yet below culture, there is a kind of ‘universal psychology’ at work.
For instance, because Good Friday was so importatn a social symbol in the past because of a predominant Chrtistianity, it must now become one of the predominant shopping days – again a reflection of what we are supposed to have become.