TT #12 - HOW TO EXPLAIN CULTS
Posted by anthonynorth on May 21, 2008
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INTRODUCTION
Welcome to my Thursday Thirteen #12, and hopefully still going strong. We’re always hearing on the news about some cult or other. We are usually shocked by their extreme behaviour, but what exactly is going on with them?
In this post I thought I’d try to shed a bit of light. Indeed, most cults follow a standard path. Also, you’ll find a couple of pieces for Three Word Wednesday.
COUNTDOWN
13. Cults are thought of as on the fringe of society. Whilst this may be true, I think they hold importance to understanding society. This is because I am convinced they highlight the extreme end of the spectrum of normal social interaction.
12. A definition of a ‘cult’ is vague. I class it as a small grouping of people who follow a ‘guru’. As the cult grows, it can become an ‘alternative’ religion. And if it really takes off, it can enter the area of world religions.
11. Who joins a cult? It is easy to say they are not very bright, and maybe from deprived backgrounds. Evidence says this is not so. Rather, the average cult member is intelligent and middleclass. The defining point is that they seem to have seen searching for meaning – a meaning a guru has provided.
10. Are cult members ‘brainwashed’?
No such thing. A process of sleep deprivation and bombardment with Scripture CAN reinforce the disciple’s beliefs, but, bearing in mind the point above, evidence suggests they really do want to be there.
9. The central element of the ‘success’ of a cult is the guru himself. He invariably has a charisma that is almost hypnotic in nature. Part of this is based on his absolute belief in his ‘rightness’, but equally it is a product of his life path.
8. Gurus tend to have an identical life path. Growing up in some form of adversity, they don’t seem to fit, and they begin to question the world. This leads to a form of mental breakdown, which they interpret as a spiritual experience. They exit this period of life convinced they have a spiritual truth and authority.
7. This makes the guru charismatic.
But more than this, his theology places him at the centre of devotion. In essence, he is ‘god-like’, and thus he is absolute law, with absolute power.
6. It is through this process that a cult can begin to go wrong. Power corrupts. And it is through this process that genuine ‘goodness’ can turn into a perverted totalitarianism.
5. The cultish system becomes a vicious circle, with disciples increasingly requiring meaning, and the guru increasingly needing the adoration. In this way, the process becomes, in a sense, ‘vampiric’ with each and every member insatiably feeding their soul.
4. This process increases self-esteem all round. But self-esteem is really a need for validation, born from a person with distinct insecurities. And so, too, with the ‘system’ of the cult. In this way, it becomes increasingly paranoid, unable to take criticisms and want to explode in the occasional violence.
3. Most cults do not get to the above extreme stage.
But those that do have become dangerous. It drives them to become more and more insular, taking themselves more and more out of the world. The cult becomes all.
2. Holding inherent insecurities, as noted above, if the cult is then overly challenged, the search for meaning can turn in on themselves. The cult can require itself to prove itself through ultimate sacrifice. The cult has become mass-suicidal. And we are all aware of what that means.
1. There are thousands of cults in the world, and although it can be painful for families of members, the reality is, most are innocuous and do good work. But in the above, I have tried to highlight the processes involved, and how, in the extreme, they can become highly dangerous.
© Anthony North, May 2008
FOCUS
Come on, now, think, we’re a focus group,
we want your opinion on this can of soup;
Does it taste nice, do you like the can?
There’s no additives or colourings for people to ban;
What do you mean there’s no real ingredients in?
Are you saying it isn’t what’s said on the tin?
Well never mind the soup, how about this car?
It’s really got the edge to take you far;
What do you mean it isn’t very green?
In what colour do you want to be seen?
Okay, thanks a lot, we’ve got your opinions now,
we’ll tell it how it is; of that we’ll vow;
We’re going elsewhere now, to see what others say,
opinions we love, analysis not delayed;
So come on, now, think, we’re a focus group,
and we’ve lots of people to convince, persuade,
and dupe
(c) Anthony North, May 2008
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THE DEATH OF YOU
‘Delayed again, I see,’ he said.
‘Well, yea, mate. But you know me. It’s always the same.’
He laughed. ‘One day,’ he said, ‘it’ll be the death of you.’
We liked extreme sports. Today we’d been out on the motorbikes. You got real speed there, and you could live on the edge. That’s what we both liked.
He’d had more focus than me today, though – raced ahead.
‘So what took you so long?’ he asked.
‘Oh, I had to take a detour,’ I said.
‘Really? But we planned the route perfectly.’
‘Yea,’ I said, ‘but you can never be sure of the traffic now, can you?’
‘True.’ He laughed. Said again: ‘It’ll be the death of you.’
I smiled – a kind of crooked smile. The same sort of smile I had on my face when that truck took the bike and tossed it in the air.
The detour to the morgue was kind of gruesome.
But it was nice that his spirit had stayed to remind me of old times. And it seems he was wrong about the delay.
You didn’t think it was me who was dead, did you?
© Anthony North, May 2008
May 21, 2008 at 2:27 pm
you writing on cults is extremely timely for me personally as my parents are jehovahs witnesses,, and tho they would never agree,, nor see it in such light,, it is the epitome of everything a successful cut dreams of being… while they disguise their organization as a religion,, i assure you,, knowing of and having been raised with in the confines,, it is a cult,, a huge rich and powerful one,, and should be viewed as such no questions asked…
May 21, 2008 at 2:50 pm
Hi Paisley,
Several times I’ve debated with them to the point where they’re struggling. And both times they turned nasty.
It sometimes worries me.
May 21, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Having participated in and run several focus groups, I found the 3WW entry amusing. And the other one intriguing. Interesting post on cults, as well, though I don’t have such a direct interest as Paisley does. Happy Wednesday!
May 21, 2008 at 3:41 pm
In India, Gurus are dime a dozen. And still have cult status.
May 21, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Hi Pjd,
Thanks for that. I notice you didn’t say the focus group poem was untrue
May 21, 2008 at 3:42 pm
Focus groups are fun to run–and when compensated well fun to do
As to cults it is fascinating to see how people get caught up in them. A generation later, drink the Kool Aid still means one thing
May 21, 2008 at 3:44 pm
Hi Gautami,
I’ve heard there are rather a lot over there. The word, ‘guru’, actually comes from India, I understand.
May 21, 2008 at 3:46 pm
Hi Pia,
Yes, I’m sure Jim Jones was not the image Kool Aid wanted.
Chilling.
May 21, 2008 at 4:15 pm
Not participtaing this week, but wanted to comment. Very, very well done. Cults are indeed interesting. I’ve always kind of thought that the folks that join need structure and guidance in their lives. Just saying. Have a great day.
May 21, 2008 at 5:39 pm
Hi Sandee,
Thanks for that. I think they’re so fascinating because, in a bizarre way, they are very much a reflection of us all. So many influences within cults exist in normal life, but in a lesser form.
May 21, 2008 at 5:41 pm
“A cult is a religion that has yet to achieve political power.”
I heard this description in a lecture somewhere, and I think works.
May 21, 2008 at 5:47 pm
Hi John,
An interesting quote. Although I’d change it slightly. I’d say a religion IS a form of cultural/political power. A social codification of a system of faith.
The individual believers have an inner spirituality, which is reflected through the religion, but it is that inner spirituality that is the true route to a deity.
May 21, 2008 at 7:48 pm
The focus group reminded me of a Dr. Seus piece, lol.
The one of the morgue was sad, but I couldn’t help but think that at least he died doing something he liked?
May 21, 2008 at 9:28 pm
Hi TC,
Thanks for that. To be honest, I can think of no better way to die than in doing something you like. Apart from peacefully, and unknowingly, in your sleep, of course.
May 21, 2008 at 9:47 pm
As you so eloquently point out, most cults do not get to the point of following a charismatic guru, but when they do the results have been a disaster. Ghana and Waco, Texas come to mind. Very informative TT.
May 21, 2008 at 9:53 pm
Hi Pjazzypar,
Thanks for that. And you can add the Order of the Solar Temple, Heaven’s Gate and others. Or the violence of Aum Shinrikyo, the Rajneesh Foundation …
The list goes on.
May 21, 2008 at 10:28 pm
A timely reminder that when our lives get out of balance, we risk being susceptible to a charismatic misfit.
May 21, 2008 at 10:29 pm
I think a lot of people would be surprised by the number of functioning cults exist. Its really only the ones that get extreme that we ever hear about.
The hospital where I work likes to form focus groups to analyze everything to death. While they can get some things accomplished, I’ve found they spend too much time running in circles.
May 21, 2008 at 10:35 pm
Hi Kay,
This is so true. To be searching too much can be foolhardy at times.
Hi Nicole,
In the UK alone, there’s something like 1,500 organisations that could be tagged cult.
I like the image of all those focus groups running around in circles.
May 21, 2008 at 10:40 pm
Where do Rocky Horror Picture Show Fans fit into cult status?
Lost Hemisphere’s 15th T13 - What are YOU looking for?
May 21, 2008 at 10:44 pm
Hi Gdaybloke,
Right at the top of the music suicide league!
Only kidding
May 21, 2008 at 10:59 pm
Where was this last week when I needed it for an article?
Excellent.
SJR
The Pink Flamingo
May 21, 2008 at 11:01 pm
Interesting post, Anthony. I have never really tried to define what a cult was, or how it evolved. Just glad I never fell into one!
TM
May 21, 2008 at 11:01 pm
Hi SJ,
Thanks for that. And sorry
If you want more info, click Cult Watch at top of my Blogroll. I have a whole sub-domain on cults.
May 21, 2008 at 11:02 pm
Great list, I am up too.
May 21, 2008 at 11:02 pm
Hi Orneryswife,
Many thanks. And evidence shows it can be so easy if you’re searching. So many seem to yearn meaning to explain a world that makes no sense.
May 21, 2008 at 11:03 pm
Hi The Mocha Mom,
Many thanks. Glad you like it.
May 21, 2008 at 11:07 pm
Very interesting information on cults. Though some of it seems scary to me.
May 21, 2008 at 11:11 pm
Hi Michelle,
Thanks for that. It can certainly be a scary subject.
May 21, 2008 at 11:19 pm
Cults fascinate me, I’ll admit it. What draws people in, what they are searching for … it’d make for interesting fiction.
May 21, 2008 at 11:21 pm
Hi Susan,
It would indeed. Although fiction has to have a hint of the believeable. Would people believe it?
May 21, 2008 at 11:52 pm
Whenever I think of cults my mind leaps to the extreme like the Manson Family. It is good to read that most are benign. Very interesting TT list, and thank you so much for stopping by mine
May 22, 2008 at 12:06 am
I think the “cult” becomes dangerous because the leader begins to claim and be honored with “God” status. No one should have that kind of control–be it religious or secular–over other people’s lives. It isn’t good for either the controller or the victim.
May 22, 2008 at 12:26 am
Quite a serious topic for your TT - I paused for quite some time here in order to absorb what you were saying. I may have said this last week, but it does bear repeating - This is a super blog. I enjoy every visit. Thank you.
May 22, 2008 at 12:42 am
Another interesting list. Happy TT.
May 22, 2008 at 12:43 am
I agree, Anthony. I think they do want to be there and they reflect normal society through a distorted mirror. Makes us very uncomfortable.
May 22, 2008 at 12:58 am
Anthony, fascinating stuff here. As always… Thought provoking.
May 22, 2008 at 2:43 am
Very interesting on the cults, much of which I’ve also thought myself, the things which truly are cults by definition that would just send people nuts if you said it out loud! It seems so cut and dried looking in from the outside, and I think to myself that could never happen to me, but then, I suppose if the right situation presented itself… very scary.
Love the focus group poem! And the fiction!
Thanks!
May 22, 2008 at 3:18 am
Very thought provoking…I will indeed ponder your cult information again at my leisure. The word cult tends to bring up the widely known cults, to my mind anyway.
May 22, 2008 at 3:50 am
I’ll keep your thought-provoking post in mind as I watch the news coverage about the FLDS situation in Texas. Thanks for the insights (and thanks for visiting my TT)
May 22, 2008 at 4:17 am
Ironic twist.
May 22, 2008 at 6:32 am
Hmmm.. Understanding more about cults is a good thing. I’ve always wondered how people can come out with beliefs esp when a new “church” is being built here. Thanks~
May 22, 2008 at 7:13 am
Good morning Sue,
Yes, it is only the extreme that hit the headlines - and they really ARE extreme.
Hi Lilibeth,
This very true. But how do we stop it? Difficult.
Hi Karen,
Your words are very kind. Many thanks.
Hi Pussreboots,
Many thanks. Glad you enjoyed it.
Hi Sandy,
This is why I’m so interested in them. In a perverted way, they tell us so much about ourselves.
Hi Susiej,
Thanks for that. I like to provide interest whenever I can.
May 22, 2008 at 7:18 am
Hi Shaunesay,
This is the problem. Believe me, it COULD happen to any of us - in the right situation.
I’m pleased you liked my fiction and poetry.
Hi Julie,
Indeed. But there is a whole alternative world of cultdom out there.
Hi The Gal Herself,
Yes, I’ve been watching some of the coverage over here in the UK. An interesting case.
Hi Susan,
Indeed. I like irony.
Hi GlaDieZz,
Yes, knowledge is always our best defence against such influences.
May 22, 2008 at 8:12 am
Having worked at a Market Research company in the past, your poem, Focus, really made me laugh - thanks!
May 22, 2008 at 8:28 am
Hi Simonne,
Thanks for that. To brighten up someone’s day is good
May 22, 2008 at 12:57 pm
very interesting tt, anthony. i’m going to pass on the link to a few friends who research them as well.
May 22, 2008 at 1:22 pm
In my opinion all cults are dangerous to weak and influencable people. I am far too an individualist to join a group or cult or whatever.
May 22, 2008 at 2:22 pm
Hi She,
Thanks for that. And please do pass it along. I’d welcome their input.
Hi Gattina,
Cult members are not generally weak, but maybe caught at a weak point in time. It is good that you won’t get caught. You’re very lucky.
May 22, 2008 at 4:34 pm
Anthony,
I’ve never been much for cults. I only belonged to one;
The catolic church.
Oh yeah, there was the U.S. Marine Corps too.
Oh and the Nurse anesthesia cult , but only for forty years.
Let me not forget the Motorcyle cult; Harley and all that don’t you know.
Bestest friend killed on a motorcycle at age 49…quit that one.
No, I can’t say I’m much of a cultest anymore.
Well, there is the AARP.
You are a pleasure to visit Anthony.
rel
May 22, 2008 at 5:44 pm
Hi Rel,
Thanks for that. Yes, you make my point, I think - that the ‘cult’ system is just an extension of normal social interaction.
And such choice …
May 22, 2008 at 6:41 pm
Cults creep me out but after reading Rel’s comment I realize it’s a broad term in our society.
Enjoyed your poem!
May 22, 2008 at 7:00 pm
Awesome 13. Very cool, and I agree with your perspective.
May 22, 2008 at 7:44 pm
Your post came at the perfect time. I am involved in a cult. It goes by several different names. Sunday Scribblings, Thursday 13, Three Word Wednesday, and others. It has taken over my life. I need deprogramming. Somebody help me!!!!!!!
May 22, 2008 at 8:43 pm
i cannot help but to think of jim jones; waco, tx; oh, and don’t forget the purple scarf and tennis shoes guy down in san diego… they were catchin the latest comet to take them away, but first they had to become something they were not intended to be… great article and responses… focus, it’s kinda like when people call you up and ask you to participate in a blind survey, …huh??.. dying is interesting how it is portrayed… sorta like ghost with whoopi goldberg.. remember the bad people and the dark shadows that take them away and they don’t really understand they’re dead… or in patrick swayze’s case he was a good guy so the light came and got him… another excellent post, anthony…
May 22, 2008 at 9:41 pm
Hi Tammy,
Yes, this is my point, there’s a bit of the cultist in us all.
Hi Maggies Mind,
Thanks for that.
Hi Myrtle Beached Whale,
I absolutely refuse to deprogram you. How can I when I enjoy visiting your blog so much
Hi OneMoreBeliever,
One can only hope Applewhite and friends reached their Hale Bopp UFO, but I doubt it. As for ‘cold calls’, as we call them in the UK, I think I’ll try to introduce them to a cult to get them out of my hair
Dying is a subject that fascinates me. I’m not sure whether it’s morbid or not.
May 23, 2008 at 2:19 am
I thought I commented yesterday on this post, but I must have forgotten! LOL Great post. Interesting and informative. You sure have a lot of readers!
May 23, 2008 at 3:54 am
When people talk cults they always emphasize the “freak” thing and don’t mention the “power” thing too much. Prolly because of the correlation to government and power. LOL
May 23, 2008 at 7:08 am
Hi Forgetfulone,
Thanks for that. Yes, my readership seems to be growing well. For which I am eternally grateful.
Hi Winter,
An important point. And often it is the power urge that ultimately turns them freaky. I can see a few politicians it applies to as well
August 12, 2008 at 11:56 am
Anthony, the people who become involved in cults are, for whatever reason, vulnerable and seeking a crutch to help them with some aspect of their lives. It has always been the case that people go looking elsewhere for help and guidance.
Seeking help and guidance is not a bad thing as long as the person seeking the help stays in control of their lives, however, too many guidance and help groups/individuals don’t necessarily do so just to help people. Far too many do it as a means of making a living! Money is the biggest cult of all. But I digress.
The techniques used by cult gurus are being used in so many other areas of society that you are right to consider it to be just an extension of social interaction. But the point here is a cult, or its equivalent, is not interested in helping anyone but itself, the guru or the organisation which has arisen from a guru’s experiences.
I have watched as commercial companies have encouraged their staff to worship the cult of money. I have watched as they had done their best to pass on their successful techniques to companies registered with charitable status (charities which are also limited companies). The methods they use to teach others are no different to those used to sell a product in the open market.
What is dangerous about cults, and their equivalents within society as outlined above, is the way the cult leaders/gurus are prepared to see the society destroyed as long as it gets what it sought in the beginning. It is all down to trust and too many cults/gurus/organisations abuse the trust of ordinary vulnerable people for their own ends. That is why I don’t like cults!!
Keep up the good work Anthony. I am certainly being forced to think about what I do and do not believe in, and why!
August 12, 2008 at 2:19 pm
Hi Carol,
Yes, I can agree with this. All cult gurus are in essence selfish, I think, and it is all to do with their ability to control to get what they want. Often this is benign, but in the extreme it is far from being so. And certainly it has transferred into our culture and economics.