TT #18 – HOW TO EXPLAIN PRAYER
Posted by anthonynorth on August 19, 2008
Featuring Thursday Thirteen. Have you had a go yet?
13. This time I’m writing about prayer – how it could possibly work. Of course, many believe it is all to do with God, but many now argue that God works through natural ‘mechanisms’ which can be reasoned. So there is still a place for God in my ideas.
12. We often pray when we don’t know what to do. This is because it can relate to destiny. And by praying, you can open your mind to new realizations about yourself and the world about you. Hence, prayer can open up a path to the future.
11. People can be optimistic or pessimistic in life.
We also see only what we want to see. Known as selective attention, the optimist sees the best, the pessimist the worst. Hence, your mind-set can be the most important element in your perception.
10. Prayer allows the person to connect with an idea of spirituality. This means you are never really alone – there is something within, assisting you. This improves optimism. Hence, selective attention kicks in to your advantage.
9. The true optimist is often thought of as lucky.
This is so for a reason. Tests have shown that he is better at calculating odds. The result is he can intuit obstacles that can arise, and successfully negotiate around them.
8. Synchronicity can be important here. This is the idea that coincidences can be meaningful. Now coincidences always seem to happen, but they are thought to be produced by chance. But chance offers another possibility.
7. The lucky gambler is said to manipulate chance.
He can be seen as lucky for his ability to calculate odds. Can we see this process – and, by implication, prayer – as a means of optimism being a process of manipulating coincidence to your advantage?
6. If we place all these elements together, we have a strong possibility that prayer can actually affect reality to your advantage. And I think a reason why can be found in a rationalization of faith as a social phenomenon.
5. It’s all about belief in God.
If you believe that God exists, and live your life as if He does, could your actions confirm His existence? By yourself, possibly not. But if you belonged to a society where all believed, then that society would be as if He did exist. A consensual idea has produced an actual reality.
4. In praying, you would tap the entire communal belief that it COULD work, thus amplifying the personal mechanisms highlighted above. Basically, psychology has become sociology, and belief moves closer to a reality.
3. This is hinted at in quantum theory. Due to the math involved, an event in the subatomic world is probabilistic, in that any outcome is equally possible. So how does a definite reality form? In the ‘observer effect’ it is argued that the reality we experience is so because a definite outcome has been observed by a consciousness capable of defining it.
2. Such ideas give a real possibility of prayer working. However, it is very much dependent upon the sociology providing a consensual reality to give it power. Hence, it is also arguable that as belief in God wanes, so does the power of prayer.
1. The ability of prayer to work is, I’m convinced, tied in with the consensual realities we create from our beliefs. So, do YOU believe it is possible?
© Anthony North, August 2008
Brian said
Yes I do, but I don’t see God as a personal being but as in everything not separate. I don’t pray in the general sense of the word or follow a specific religion.
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Carol_Noble said
When we talk about prayer we tend to think of it as a Christian idea, when the reality is that something on these lines, called by other names under other cultures, has always been about.
To me, prayer and its equivalents are the way we focus our minds on the world beyond our immediate sensors/senses and we try to communicate with that world to ask for help/guidance/support in some way for people on Earth and in our immediate environment including ourselves.
This relates to what I term, putting out a question into the ether and waiting for a response.
Over time I have found that responses do come but not always immediately, and not always as we think we would wish. A lot depends upon the question we ask and how we ask it.
But when we think of the word prayer it always makes me feel different to when I put a question into the ether. I suppose humility is part of prayer, whereas the other way can bring selfishness/selfcentredness.
Even so, I PRAY you and all who visit your blog have a better end to this year than has happened already, including improvement in the weather!
Carol_Noble said
PS the word, AMEN, when pronounced by most of us always reminds me of the god, AMUN.
insomniac said
Howdy Anthony,
I think those are all contributing factors.
On a systems level, agents are supplied with their needs through an elaborate supply system we call the environment. Agents request their needs with their thoughts. For most people, their thoughts are so random, fragmented, contradictory and down right silly, that the system has no clear idea of their real needs. Prayer is a way to focus one’s thoughts on the most pressing needs. There are many other techniques that work as well or better. Belief in god is not needed for it to work. However, belief in something larger seems to help.
Atheists use the same process, they think about what they need, and they get the same results… what they think about comes into their lives.
Take sports heroes day dreaming about their championship when they were kids. They focus their thoughts and actions towards a definite goal. They don’t all get their “prayers” answered, but the champions all dreamed.
cheers,
jim
anthonynorth said
Hi Brian,
I feel very much the same myself. I feel an inner spirituality rather than an existant God-form.
Hi Carol,
Yes, prayer exists in all forms, meditation, etc. And one line I didn’t follow in the post was the connection with the manipulation of chance. This is a very big part of many eastern religions, as if they realised the connection.
Hi Jim,
Another important aspect of it. And yes, belief in something bigger than yourself is the key. This can be anything from a God-form to, I suppose, ambition, which when dreaming of the future, is closely associated with destiny, I would have thought.
I wonder how that squares with atheism.
Twilight said
I used to pray, in times of stress, but I’ve come to realise that all I was really doing was talking to myself, clearing my own mind and, steering myself in the right direction for relief from whatever was troubling me. I guess that Roman Catholic confession must be something like this too. Creative visualisation, used in mystical magic is along similar lines, as are all the pieces of advice to be found in self-help books. So really, I believe that prayer is simply a form of self-help.
I don’t know about God, as an entity, but watching a rather silly sci-fi movie on TV last evening, about a mission to re-energise a dying Sun, I began to see how really and truly the Sun is our “god” here on Earth. Without the Sun (and possible also the Moon) we could not exist. This sounds very pagan, yet it is fact.
Comedy Plus said
I don’t attend church, but I am spiritual. I do pray, but it is a very private thing that I don’t share with others. I do believe there is a higher power. Have a great day Anthony.
anthonynorth said
Hi Twilight,
You’re certainly right about the importance of Sun and Moon. As for a God-force, I go more for a form of universal consciousness, which I’ve written about often, which is often represented in many forms of the Divine.
I suppose that makes it a ‘truth’ of sorts.
Hi Sandee,
To me, there is a definite separation between ’spirituality’ and ‘religion’. One is an inner knowing, the other a social codification. I subscribe to the former, but both are, of course, a higher power.
SandyCarlson said
I’m all over No. 12.
I guess I believe there really is no distance or defining line between one person and the next and that our thoughts and emotions can affect others in a tangible way.
anthonynorth said
Hi Sandy,
Yes, I think this to be true. And I’m convinced the access point is deep in the unconscious, obscured by mass information (which keeps us in the conscious), and ideas of individuality (which change our philosophy so we don’t notice it).
Selma said
I’ve noticed that the form my prayer takes has changed over the years. I used to pray to an external deity but now I feel my prayer is directed inward to where I imagine the soul is. It’s almost like a way of propelling myself forward, of pulling myself out a slump – a kind of spiritual self-help strategy. And the results are more tangible than they were before in that the prayer motivates me to cope or keep going, or whatever it is I have to do. So I liken prayer, as Twilight said, to a type of creative visualisation. Great post!
anthonynorth said
Hi Selma,
Many thanks. Yes, this is a vital element of prayer, and in the main, worldwide, the various forms DO tend to concentrate on the inner mind as opposed to something ‘out there’.
Susan Helene Gottfried said
Anything is possible. I firmly believe that.
anthonynorth said
Hi Susan,
Yes, we’re definitely of like mind there.
The Gal Herself said
I’m going to re-read #5, especially, because there’s an awful lot of intriguing thought there. But for me, a prayer doesn’t “work” if it comes true. My goal in praying is not to change God or chance but to change me, and remind me that there is a force mightier than me supporting me. (Thanks for visiting my TT)
anthonynorth said
Hi The Gal Herself,
I can’t disagree with your analysis there. So often prayer is about inner change, whether the person realises it or not.
Tink said
As you know I follow a different path, but still pray. Just in another way and to God and Goddess. You wrote a very intriguing list, again; thought provoking!
Thanks for visiting my TT.
anthonynorth said
Hi Tink,
Thanks for that. As I often say: many cultures, similar path.
On a limb with Claudia said
This is an interesting take on prayer. However, there are a number of studies that show that prayer works long distance even if the person/people prayed for don’t know that they are being prayed for. Further, patients that are worked on by surgeons who say a simple prayer before surgery (no way for patient to know) is more likely to get well sooner.
Happy TT
anthonynorth said
Hi On a Limb With Claudia,
Yes, I’m aware of the research, but didn’t have room to include it here. Had I done so, I’d have edged towards some form of telepathic ability – a subject I’ve covered elsewhere.
Sue said
I am Agnostic and therefore believe anything is potentially possible. I just need to see evidence to support that it does
And yes, I believe there is something to prayer
Happy TT and thanks for stopping by!
anthonynorth said
Hi Sue,
Yes, but that evidence is always so elusive. Always could be, maybe not. It is the nature of great mysteries.
Nicholas said
The answer to all prayers is either yes, no, or wait. So, when you wish for something, if it comes true you can say a prayer has been answered. The beauty of that is that you can pray to anyone or anything (God, Zeus, Krishna, your pet goldfish) and the number of prayers that will come true will be about the same.
Nicole Austin said
Great post. Prayer is a wonderful for dealing with stress. Its taking a quiet time to yourself to refocus your thoughts.
Julie said
So is prayer without belief in God just talking to oneself? You always provoke me to think on a deeper level. Happy TT.
Lori said
You know its funny….some people say they dont believe in God, but when something happens, guess whos knelling to pray? Happy TT. Great list.
Journeywoman said
Great list.
I once heard someone say, “I believe in Gd, but I also am not vain enough to think he plans his days around what I ask him.”
SJ Reidhead said
Very thoughtful.
SJR
The Pink Flamingo
Bernie said
Nice list. I believe it is good to pray and believe in tradition. Our world would have little hope without tradition and prayer.
My TT is up here.
marnini said
I believe in God and prayer. Through Prayer you will find God and finding God will lead you to prayer.)
Happy Thursday
Alice said
Interesting thoughts. I believe in prayer and in God, yes. Though in a very different way than most, it would appear. However, I won’t go into it just now, haha. I will say though that God is all there is!!!
Alice at I Was Born2Cree8
Or My 24th Thursday 13
anthonynorth said
Good morning Nicholas,
But do you feel better for doing so?
Hi Nicole,
This is the one element of prayer that most people would agree with. And perhaps the most important.
Hi Julie,
Thanks for that. Prayer without belief in God is, I suppose, meditation.
Hi Lori,
This is usually so. Most people cover all angles when the need arises
Hi Journeywoman,
Makes you think, doesn’t it?
Loved that comment
Hi SJ,
Thanks for that.
Hi Bernie,
I’m a great believer in the power of tradition, too. It tells us who we are, how we got here, and how to behave once we’ve arrived.
Hi Marnini,
Thanks for that.
marcia@joyismy goal said
For prayer to be effective in you life I think you must believe it works but that belief may start so small even as a hope or wish that God is there to help
anthonynorth said
Hi Marcia,
Yes, this seems to be how many people think of it. A belief is essential.
Ivanhoe said
I do not belong to any organized religion. But I pray privately at my home, when I need guidence or for other people (if they are sick, lost somebody…)
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Have a wonderful Thursday, Tony
anthonynorth said
Hi Ivanhoe,
Thanks for that. Yes, it is a natural thing to do, even if not practicing a religion.
Peter Plum said
Interesting T13. God says that if we open our mouth wide He will fill it and that if we ask anything in His name for His glory He will do it.
anthonynorth said
Hi Alice,
Thanks for that. The spam filter caught your comment, but I’ve saved it
Hi Peter Plum,
I like that comment. Many thanks.
Forgetfulone said
Great TT! I also liked your PoeM
anthonynorth said
Hi Forgetfulone,
Thanks for that. And I’m glad you like the poem, too.
nytsmasher76 said
“Many things have been wrought by prayer than anyone would acknowledge”. Not only Christian prayer (or monotheistic prayer) does work but any prayer would…Just don’t forget to do what is supposed to be done after praying, “Prayer without concrete and positive action is ‘idealism’; action without prayer is futile.”
Prayer can never be understood by materialists or rationalists
anthonynorth said
Hi Nytsmasher76,
Your last line may be true, or maybe not. But it can only be absolutely true in terms of your individual understanding of prayer.
LindaG said
Hi Anthony,
How could I not respond to this wonderful essay – it really “grabbed me” at this moment in my life. Didn’t even read all the other posts before writing this one (rare for me).
I am a lifelong optimist- with periods of pessimissim (?) that I do not enjoy, but am subject to. No- I am not bipolar!
I believe in God, but not in organized religion. I suspect many other folks do as well. Where does that place us in the scheme of things? My prayers are never “grouped” for effect. And I do believe some of my prayers have been answered. Were my prayers really answered by my inner subconcious self?
Best regards & I look forward to more enjoyable essays…
LindaG
anthonynorth said
Hi Linda,
Thanks for those kind words. The thing about the subconscious mind and what we think of as God is that they could well meet somewhere in the middle.
How far does the ‘outer’ come into the ‘inner’, and vice versa?
‘As Above, So Below’, and all that.
Linda G said
Hi Anthony,
Thanks for the info to get to this essay. Funny that I posted here almost a year ago- brought back memories of where I was then.
Enjoyed it again this time & also enjoyed your readers posts- you attract a group of quite interesting folks to your blog.
Reminds me that I do miss your longer pieces.
anthonynorth said
Hi Linda,
You’re the second person this week to comment about missing the longer stuff. I think I needed a break from them – used the time to concentrate on getting my Flash right. Is it time to return to the occasional longer piece? I’m thinking about it – weakening
Linda G said
Hi Anthony,
Anything we can do to encourage you? How about a listing of potential areas of interest we can vote on for your next longer piece?
Your loyal fans would enjoy that & the conversation in & of itself would be interesting- but your the boss & only you (& B Muse) know where your motivation will come from.
We will be happily surprised when the day comes.
anthonynorth said
Hi Linda,
Thanks for that. Well … surprise, surprise! Normal essay service resumes on Tuesday.
I guess a couple of gentle kicks up the butt was all I needed
Linda G said
Hi Anthony,
I’m at a tough spot in my life right now & you just put a big smile on my face. Thanks for that & I’m looking forward to your essay.
anthonynorth said
Hi Linda,
I hope you get past that tough spot soon. I’ve bumped into quite a few myself.