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		<title>By: anthonynorth</title>
		<link>http://beyondtheblog.wordpress.com/2008/11/20/the-science-gene/#comment-45187</link>
		<dc:creator>anthonynorth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Shane,
   Thanks for that reply. I think, with subjects such as the paranormal, a hold up comes with non-acceptance of rational hypotheses. Without such ideas, data cannot be properly rationalised. In refusing such hypotheses, science does, in effect, invalidate any data offered. It&#039;s very convenient for them.
   That&#039;s why I think we need philosophising on the paranormal, to suggest rational hypothesis to the point that science has to take it seriously. I don&#039;t know if you&#039;ve found my THE UNEXPLAINED page. If not it&#039;s here:

http://beyondtheblog.wordpress.com/unexplained

   If you&#039;re interested in the subject, you may find the essay of interest - plus over a hundred essays of mine linked from there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Shane,<br />
   Thanks for that reply. I think, with subjects such as the paranormal, a hold up comes with non-acceptance of rational hypotheses. Without such ideas, data cannot be properly rationalised. In refusing such hypotheses, science does, in effect, invalidate any data offered. It&#8217;s very convenient for them.<br />
   That&#8217;s why I think we need philosophising on the paranormal, to suggest rational hypothesis to the point that science has to take it seriously. I don&#8217;t know if you&#8217;ve found my THE UNEXPLAINED page. If not it&#8217;s here:</p>
<p><a href="http://beyondtheblog.wordpress.com/unexplained" rel="nofollow">http://beyondtheblog.wordpress.com/unexplained</a></p>
<p>   If you&#8217;re interested in the subject, you may find the essay of interest &#8211; plus over a hundred essays of mine linked from there.</p>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
		<link>http://beyondtheblog.wordpress.com/2008/11/20/the-science-gene/#comment-45186</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 09:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an interesting concept proposed, Anthonynorth.

Late to the scene, I realize, but I was only early once - when I was born.

On a more serious note, I am not convinced everything ends up hard-coded in our biological genetics, but there does seem to be a social/cultural geneology.  You are raised under the influence of your parents, children have been observed to follow the trends of their parents as they mature, and then raise their own kids, who continue the process.

As such, family values, traditions, etc can be seen to be a sort of geneology.  Like their biological counterparts, these genes merge in the offspring of the parents.

However, there are more &quot;social genes&quot; beyond family values.  Who you hang around drastically influences your personality and behavior - especially as a teenager and young adult.  These &quot;genes&quot; are far more fluid - converging and separating as you mingle with people.  Ever notice how your personality will tend to differ based on who you are around?  If not - it&#039;s easier to notice this in your peers.

As to the whole &quot;cultural conditioning against the paranormal&quot; - it does happen.  It is diminishing over time, but still quite prevailent.  If you look back over a century ago, there was quite a bit of scientific research into the paranormal.  Electricity and the atom proved to be a much easier nut to crack and implement into devices - and science hone most of its efforts towards the atom.  Now, research into physics requires a multibillion dollar particle accelerator or some other high-dollar and inaccessible devices to replicate extremes.

This naturally puts a lot of good minds out of a job, and still itching to push the borders of understanding.  With many instruments available now that could not even be imagined a century-and-a-half ago, researchers have taken back to the paranormal.  It&#039;s quite chaotic at the moment, and I feel too few researchers in the paranormal field have an appropriate understanding of electromagnetic theory and quantum-field theory to really get some answers and provide meaningful research.

Further complicating the issue is that most of the research going on is not really scienfic.  At best - it&#039;s akin to a wildlife documentary - an attempt to document the paranormal and classify it.  Until we can figure out how to interact with it reliably, there is very little science that can really be done - and even then, it&#039;s limited to field experimentation.

Then, there comes the ethical impact.  Let&#039;s say we do confirm ghosts are departed human entities with a continued perception and emotion.... running tests on them is akin to running tests on a human being - which runs into huge ethical problems.

People like James, up there, will consider that a non-issue, as the paranormal are obviously caused by mentally ill individuals.  While I suffer from a bit of narcissism, I&#039;d contend I&#039;m reasonably mentally stable.

I&#039;ve seen a few things I can&#039;t quite rationalize with known physical laws.  I&#039;ve heard too many stories from too many people, who have no reason to be telling such stories aside from it&#039;s weird and it happened.  I figure second-hand experiences different from first-hand experiences.  I&#039;ve seen how some people can just make awkward conclusions before - especially in identifying things visually.  I&#039;ve also seen how people can develop flawed recollections of events, though many scientific studies into the phenomena are geared to demonstrate extreme examples of memory modification to support skeptic opinion, often with a failure to follow-up to see if memory is further modified many months or years later (this is important, as it is possible the memory was incorrectly transcribed into long-term memory; and the mechanisms behind memory far more complex and unique to individuals than first throught).

But this has turned into its own blog piece, so I&#039;ll leave it at that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an interesting concept proposed, Anthonynorth.</p>
<p>Late to the scene, I realize, but I was only early once &#8211; when I was born.</p>
<p>On a more serious note, I am not convinced everything ends up hard-coded in our biological genetics, but there does seem to be a social/cultural geneology.  You are raised under the influence of your parents, children have been observed to follow the trends of their parents as they mature, and then raise their own kids, who continue the process.</p>
<p>As such, family values, traditions, etc can be seen to be a sort of geneology.  Like their biological counterparts, these genes merge in the offspring of the parents.</p>
<p>However, there are more &#8220;social genes&#8221; beyond family values.  Who you hang around drastically influences your personality and behavior &#8211; especially as a teenager and young adult.  These &#8220;genes&#8221; are far more fluid &#8211; converging and separating as you mingle with people.  Ever notice how your personality will tend to differ based on who you are around?  If not &#8211; it&#8217;s easier to notice this in your peers.</p>
<p>As to the whole &#8220;cultural conditioning against the paranormal&#8221; &#8211; it does happen.  It is diminishing over time, but still quite prevailent.  If you look back over a century ago, there was quite a bit of scientific research into the paranormal.  Electricity and the atom proved to be a much easier nut to crack and implement into devices &#8211; and science hone most of its efforts towards the atom.  Now, research into physics requires a multibillion dollar particle accelerator or some other high-dollar and inaccessible devices to replicate extremes.</p>
<p>This naturally puts a lot of good minds out of a job, and still itching to push the borders of understanding.  With many instruments available now that could not even be imagined a century-and-a-half ago, researchers have taken back to the paranormal.  It&#8217;s quite chaotic at the moment, and I feel too few researchers in the paranormal field have an appropriate understanding of electromagnetic theory and quantum-field theory to really get some answers and provide meaningful research.</p>
<p>Further complicating the issue is that most of the research going on is not really scienfic.  At best &#8211; it&#8217;s akin to a wildlife documentary &#8211; an attempt to document the paranormal and classify it.  Until we can figure out how to interact with it reliably, there is very little science that can really be done &#8211; and even then, it&#8217;s limited to field experimentation.</p>
<p>Then, there comes the ethical impact.  Let&#8217;s say we do confirm ghosts are departed human entities with a continued perception and emotion&#8230;. running tests on them is akin to running tests on a human being &#8211; which runs into huge ethical problems.</p>
<p>People like James, up there, will consider that a non-issue, as the paranormal are obviously caused by mentally ill individuals.  While I suffer from a bit of narcissism, I&#8217;d contend I&#8217;m reasonably mentally stable.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen a few things I can&#8217;t quite rationalize with known physical laws.  I&#8217;ve heard too many stories from too many people, who have no reason to be telling such stories aside from it&#8217;s weird and it happened.  I figure second-hand experiences different from first-hand experiences.  I&#8217;ve seen how some people can just make awkward conclusions before &#8211; especially in identifying things visually.  I&#8217;ve also seen how people can develop flawed recollections of events, though many scientific studies into the phenomena are geared to demonstrate extreme examples of memory modification to support skeptic opinion, often with a failure to follow-up to see if memory is further modified many months or years later (this is important, as it is possible the memory was incorrectly transcribed into long-term memory; and the mechanisms behind memory far more complex and unique to individuals than first throught).</p>
<p>But this has turned into its own blog piece, so I&#8217;ll leave it at that.</p>
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		<title>By: anthonynorth</title>
		<link>http://beyondtheblog.wordpress.com/2008/11/20/the-science-gene/#comment-36144</link>
		<dc:creator>anthonynorth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 17:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi James,
   So you are assuming that otherwise perfectly rational people who see such things have mental health problems. I assure you, you don&#039;t see them. They don&#039;t consider they have such problems.
   As for criticism, I have no problem with that. But it is isn&#039;t me you&#039;ve been criticising is it? You&#039;ve been belittling others. That is what I classed as a disgrace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi James,<br />
   So you are assuming that otherwise perfectly rational people who see such things have mental health problems. I assure you, you don&#8217;t see them. They don&#8217;t consider they have such problems.<br />
   As for criticism, I have no problem with that. But it is isn&#8217;t me you&#8217;ve been criticising is it? You&#8217;ve been belittling others. That is what I classed as a disgrace.</p>
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		<title>By: James Randi</title>
		<link>http://beyondtheblog.wordpress.com/2008/11/20/the-science-gene/#comment-36143</link>
		<dc:creator>James Randi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 17:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh, wrong again, Anthony.

I work for a mental health agency, we try to get people the help they need. Help that comes from therapy and, perhaps, medication, not feeding on their delusions and telling them yes, poisonous toads in your stomach and demons are causing your problems!

Looking over the comments, I see lots of agreement with you. I don&#039;t see sceptics. A &lt;i&gt;true&lt;/i&gt; scientist welcomes criticism.

But you aren&#039;t, are you? A disgrace.

Merry Christmas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh, wrong again, Anthony.</p>
<p>I work for a mental health agency, we try to get people the help they need. Help that comes from therapy and, perhaps, medication, not feeding on their delusions and telling them yes, poisonous toads in your stomach and demons are causing your problems!</p>
<p>Looking over the comments, I see lots of agreement with you. I don&#8217;t see sceptics. A <i>true</i> scientist welcomes criticism.</p>
<p>But you aren&#8217;t, are you? A disgrace.</p>
<p>Merry Christmas.</p>
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		<title>By: anthonynorth</title>
		<link>http://beyondtheblog.wordpress.com/2008/11/20/the-science-gene/#comment-36140</link>
		<dc:creator>anthonynorth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 15:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi James,
   No one makes you come here. Just delusions? Well, that&#039;s very good. At this moment, thousands of people around the world are experiencing things thery don&#039;t understand, are getting no help, and are scared - some absolutely terrified! And people like you make crass comments like that.
   A disgrace. Merry Xmas. Don&#039;t come back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi James,<br />
   No one makes you come here. Just delusions? Well, that&#8217;s very good. At this moment, thousands of people around the world are experiencing things thery don&#8217;t understand, are getting no help, and are scared &#8211; some absolutely terrified! And people like you make crass comments like that.<br />
   A disgrace. Merry Xmas. Don&#8217;t come back.</p>
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		<title>By: James Randi</title>
		<link>http://beyondtheblog.wordpress.com/2008/11/20/the-science-gene/#comment-36139</link>
		<dc:creator>James Randi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 14:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right about one thing: this is getting boring.

Let me make it easy for you. I don’t believe in ghosts. I don’t believe in telepathy. I don’t believe in anything paranormal. But I do believe people experience things suggestive of such phenomena. It&#039;s called &#039;delusions&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right about one thing: this is getting boring.</p>
<p>Let me make it easy for you. I don’t believe in ghosts. I don’t believe in telepathy. I don’t believe in anything paranormal. But I do believe people experience things suggestive of such phenomena. It&#8217;s called &#8216;delusions&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: anthonynorth</title>
		<link>http://beyondtheblog.wordpress.com/2008/11/20/the-science-gene/#comment-36117</link>
		<dc:creator>anthonynorth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 22:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi James,
   This is getting rather boring. Let me make it easy for you. I don&#039;t believe in ghosts. I don&#039;t believe in telepathy. I don&#039;t believe in anything paranormal. But I do believe people experience things suggestive of such phenomena. 
   Without going to &#039;classical&#039; ideas, I think a rational answer IS possible by a simple extension of our present knowledge. So to talk of me as a &#039;believer&#039; is incorrect. You have not researched. You have not been rational or reasonable.
   Hey, James. YOU have a belief!!!
   Now, if you haven&#039;t anything sensible to say, go pester someone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi James,<br />
   This is getting rather boring. Let me make it easy for you. I don&#8217;t believe in ghosts. I don&#8217;t believe in telepathy. I don&#8217;t believe in anything paranormal. But I do believe people experience things suggestive of such phenomena.<br />
   Without going to &#8216;classical&#8217; ideas, I think a rational answer IS possible by a simple extension of our present knowledge. So to talk of me as a &#8216;believer&#8217; is incorrect. You have not researched. You have not been rational or reasonable.<br />
   Hey, James. YOU have a belief!!!<br />
   Now, if you haven&#8217;t anything sensible to say, go pester someone else.</p>
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		<title>By: James Randi</title>
		<link>http://beyondtheblog.wordpress.com/2008/11/20/the-science-gene/#comment-36116</link>
		<dc:creator>James Randi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 22:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Do you understand what science actually is?&quot;

Oh, the &lt;i&gt;irony&lt;/i&gt;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Do you understand what science actually is?&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh, the <i>irony</i>!</p>
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		<title>By: anthonynorth</title>
		<link>http://beyondtheblog.wordpress.com/2008/11/20/the-science-gene/#comment-36114</link>
		<dc:creator>anthonynorth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 22:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi James,
   Naw, you&#039;re definitely not THAT James Randi. You&#039;re arguments and research are too simplistic. What is my &#039;paranormal drek&#039;? Do you know? I ask again, have you researched my work, or are you just going on this post?
   Do you understand what science actually is?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi James,<br />
   Naw, you&#8217;re definitely not THAT James Randi. You&#8217;re arguments and research are too simplistic. What is my &#8216;paranormal drek&#8217;? Do you know? I ask again, have you researched my work, or are you just going on this post?<br />
   Do you understand what science actually is?</p>
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		<title>By: James Randi</title>
		<link>http://beyondtheblog.wordpress.com/2008/11/20/the-science-gene/#comment-36112</link>
		<dc:creator>James Randi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So basically, you are wonderingwhy scientist don&#039;t believe your paranormal drek? Prehaps it has to do with proof, repeatable results, etc.

I&#039;ve heard of people who believe the Earth is &lt;i&gt;flat&lt;/i&gt;. Do you? Why not? Do you think they&#039;re fools, delusional, or crazy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So basically, you are wonderingwhy scientist don&#8217;t believe your paranormal drek? Prehaps it has to do with proof, repeatable results, etc.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard of people who believe the Earth is <i>flat</i>. Do you? Why not? Do you think they&#8217;re fools, delusional, or crazy?</p>
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