GREED
Posted by anthonynorth on August 31, 2009
ABC Wednesday & more prompts below.
Have you had a go?
POLLY TICKS
Let me make something very clear. Greed is not bad. In order to
succeed both individually and as a society, we need to be stimulated.
Due to this, we have urges. Without them I doubt if humanity would
have advanced at all – and greed is one of those urges.
The problem comes in the
level of greed we display.
Be too greedy and we hurt both ourselves and society, so it’s a
matter of balance. Sadly, though, in today’s capitalism we have a
glorification of greed, with it getting out of control. This was not how
capitalism was meant to be, originally devised by Adam Smith as a
philosophy to go alongside thrift. We seem to have turned something
noble into a feeding trough.
Eye On the World
The ‘Y’ Files
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BRIT NEWS: New guidelines
for schools say Heads must recruit
unqualified ‘minders’ for classes as teachers
are not to cover for absent colleagues. Which idiot
thought this up? Is it part of the growing planning on paper
without seeing what works in reality? Administrators should manage,
not dictate.
BRIT NEWS: The traditional pint beer glass has been decreed too
dangerous as it is often used in assaults. Oh dear, so are
fists. Let’s have them all chopped off! I hate this
mentality that, because a few do something
wrong, everyone must suffer.

RATTLER’S TALE
A Voyage of the Imagination
Carry On Tuesday
Heads or Tails – ReadWritePoem
YELLOW
Yellow streak ran down his spine?
Mellow, maybe, not cowardly kind;
Pleasant fellow, didn’t like a fuss,
Don’t bellow, he won’t cuss;
Many people don’t like woe,
They’re not yellow – be nice,
Just say hello
FUTILITY
Fiction: If only it hadn’t happened – the telephone ringing – three
times. Oh, the futility of it all. But isn’t it all futility in the dead of
night? They’d argued – over everything, but mainly his belief she had
a lover. I’d known he was in one of those moods and I’d intervened,
going to their flat. I found him in the lounge sulking – she was in the
bedroom – I could hear the sobs. Well, I’d calmed him, and it would
have been fine … until the phone call. He picked it up. Listened. A
voice said: ‘Hi, hon, I’ll come round tomorrow at ten if that’s ok.’ I
saw the shock on his face. I grabbed the phone – asked who the hell
it was. But by then his anger had boiled again. By the time I got into
the bedroom, it was all over, her eyes staring blankly into nowhere.
Oh, the futility – especially as it was a wrong number that started it.
STARCHILD
From soil to cosmos all is one,
From tribal chant to quantum song,
We are whole, we knew it’s true,
‘Til fractured living did imbue,
The idea that we’re all alone;
One day we’ll remember – atone
© Anthony North, August 2009
SandyCarlson said
Interesting thoughts on greed, Anthony. I have always drawn a line between greed and the drive to fill a need. Of course, I live in an overweight country that has sunk itself under the weight of its own desires–greed satisfied on borrowed time and money. I think we do need drive, though, and the drive to attain for oneself is a good thing.
anthonynorth said
Hi Sandy,
Thanks for those thoughts. I suppose I see it like this. A good lie always holds an element of truth, and it’s the same with the impulses we allow to get out of hand. Hence, total greed can only work if it holds an element of truth. From there, it’s up to us to find that correct balance.
James said
This is how we are made there should be no holding back of your greed. why? because through this you realise how empty and worthless your life is. Classic case look at Bill Gates hes worth billions he can buy anything he wants, what is he doing? hes giving it all way. not for good mankind but to gain honour.
The problem is when a desire is filled that desired disappears and we are left with a empty feeling. Then another desire comes along we fill that and it disappears. This is how we live our lifes. Over time these desires grow ie greed. Nothing wrong with this because thats how we are made.
If you want to get to root of all this. Then question is who made you like this and WHY?
anthonynorth said
Hi James,
Yes, this is the usual eastern interpretation, too. As to who made us like this? I would blame technology, allowing us to more than simply survive, just giving us time to think of what else we want. And when a culture that celebrates it becomes ‘normal’, I’m not sure it’s so easy to realise the pointlessness of it – not when the next fad is coming along very soon.
This is the cycle that needs breaking.
stan said
Greed – Ambition…some can’t separate the two.
I like this kind of yellow.
‘Futility’…? Over to you Frued.
‘Atone…one day’…indeed.
Twilight said
I think greed is always bad, AN. It’s one of the 7 Deadly sins, too.
Enterprise is what drives progress in my opinion, not greed. Enterprise for its own sake, and for the good of the collective, it is becoming a rarity though.
Your description “fractured living” has a lot to do with the above too. I like the poem “Starchild” – lovely!
anthonynorth said
Hi Stan,
Thanks for that considered response. much appreciated.
Hi Twilight,
Thanks for the kind words about the poem
Yes, enterprise IS what drives progress – as long as it is for the good of the collective, AND not the only thing in town. When it becomes all, it becomes a single system, and that is always totalitarian in the end. At least, that’s how I read the history books.
I wouldn’t say greed is always bad. Great benefits have come from some people’s greed for power – consider if Churchill hadn’t been there when needed – a man most ceertainly greedy for power. On a lesser level, a good night out can involve greed, for which we suffer the next day, but the fun we’ve had fuels our feeing of the goodness of life.
I guess I just don’t like burning bridges.
Comedy Plus said
Love your thoughts on greed and I agree with you. There are those that strive to become independent. There are those that won’t do a thing. Greed is good to a degree. It’s finding the middle ground.
Loved the said tale of Futility. Unfortunately this is played out way too often.
Have a terrific day Anthony.
anthonynorth said
Hi Sandee,
Thanks for that. Yes, balance in all things. That’s my mantra.
swapna said
Wonderful words Antony. Loved the rhyme and the message in “Starchild”.
anthonynorth said
Hi Swapna,
Thanks for that. Much appreciated.
James said
theres a saying that goes “if the table wobbles, dont blame the table, blame the maker”
Michelle Johnson said
Futility was a excellent story Anthony. Blast those wrong numbers. And I agree saying hello is a good thing. Hope all is well. Have a great day.
Dr. John said
Greed is really hard to control. Any system based on controlling it or directing it is bound to have trouble.
anthonynorth said
Hi James,
A good analogy – though it only stands if you accept an exact maker.
Hi Michelle,
Thanks for that. Yes, the most terrible tragedies can come from stupid causes.
Hi Dr John,
Absolutely – and herein lies the central problem for capitalism. As a system I think it’s great, but not by itself. It always requires a countermeasure, and even though I’m not religious, I can see that, so far, religion is the best defence.
Jane Doe said
Your writings always serve to entertain me, amuse me, chill me, interest me and astound me.
‘I hate this mentality that, because a few do something
wrong, everyone must suffer.’ There are not words to describe just how much I wholeheartedly agree with that statement!!
‘Futility’ was chilling, I loved it. ‘Starchild’ was phenomenal. We are all one, all interconnected, each dependent upon the other in some way. And together we are whole. We have just forgotten that.
anthonynorth said
Hi Jane,
Thanks for the kind words. Yes, one day we may remember our togetherness.
Gemma said
Amazing how wrong numbers can spin out a domino effect of wrong doing!
anthonynorth said
Hi Gemma,
It is indeed – although it usually occurs through over reaction by the people involved.
sandy kessler said
big smile here on your yellow verse
anthonynorth said
Hi Sandy,
Thanks for that. Much appreciated
Hootin' Anni said
Okay….To YOU I say: “hello”!!! Nice poem today Anthony. But I’ve come to expect that from you when I visit!
My HoT is now posted. If you’d like to stop by for a visit, you’ll read about Texas’s Yellow Rose!!
The Yellow Rose of Texas
anthonynorth said
Hi Hootin’ Anni,
Many thanks.
And hello to you
Crazy said
Interesting reading. Your schools don’t sound too different from ours, unfortunately. In the last state we lived in substitute teachers were required only to have a criminal background check and an eight hour training course, needless to say not much learning happens when they are in the classroom.
anthonynorth said
Hi Crazy,
Many thanks. That seems just stupid to me. Education is getting in quite a mess.
shraddha@theselfloveproject said
interesting relatable thoughts..
good work Anthony
anthonynorth said
Hi Shraddha,
Thanks for that. Much appreciated.
gautami tripathy said
Great yellow verse!
knife’s edge
anthonynorth said
Hi Gautami,
Thanks for that.
Karen said
Oh my goodness!!! It was a wrong number? Yikes!
anthonynorth said
Hi Karen,
Yep, and a pretty fatal one.
Geraldine said
Don’t get me started on the subject of GREED! You’ve really brought up some good points and thoughts to ponder on this topic. Greed, greed, greed…does a news day go by without yet another story of “a golden handshake” given to an unworthy, unscrupulous CEO, being rewarded as he/she are also being CANNED! It makes me so mad.
There…I feel better LOL!!!!
This month’s movie prompt now up over at MPP:
The Bramble Bush
http://mypoeticpath.wordpress.com/2009/09/01/monthly-movie-musings-take-4/
thanks for spreading the word Tony and hope you can participate too. Im guessing you’d have a “doozey” for this prompt!
Hugs, G
anthonynorth said
Hi Geraldine,
Yep, too much greed IS bad.
Jessie said
I always enjoy visiting your site. Insightful. Your Tuesday prompt was wonderful.
smiles,
Thebluestbutterfly said
I read your Yellow poem. I need to think about it a bit and decide what my interpetation of it is.
anthonynorth said
Hi Jessie,
Thanks for that. Much appreciated.
Hi Thebluestbutterfly,
I guess the world needs many different types of people.
Forgetfulone said
I always enjoy your poems. “Yellow” was very entertaining! Thanks for stopping by my blog.
anthonynorth said
Hi Forgetfulone,
Many thanks for the kind words, and you’re welcome.
Tumblewords said
Cool Yellow and nifty Greed. What is it about moderation that folks just don’t get? nice work
Jay said
Thought-provoking, as usual. I’ve always defined greed as wanting more than you actually need, at the expense of others. The drive to attain and acquire is good, greed is not often good. I suppose it all depends on your level of control and your maturity – whether you can harness greed and not let it rule you.
Hildred and Charles said
When Greed slides into Gluttony it really is a deadly sin….
Roger Green said
I never saw the movie ‘Wall Streer’ in which Gordon Gecko declares ‘Greed is good’, but I’m inclined to disagree.
anthonynorth said
Hi Tumblewords,
I guess we just get drawn in and can’t see where to stop. One day we’ll learn.
Hi Jay,
Yes, this is exactly the point – learning to control things properly. So few manage to achieve it.
Hi Hildred and Charles,
Indeed it is. Thanks for that.
Hi Roger,
Yes, Gecko perfectly expressed modern consumer capitalism. And in his extreme form, it is very bad.
Rose said
Interesting thoughts on greed; I’ve always thought it was a bad thing, defining it much as Jay has. Here in the U.S. we are seeing the consequences of greed every day.
anthonynorth said
Hi Rose,
Yes, this is how most see it, but I just thought: if we see it as alien to us, how can we combat it? If we accept it has a role, we can then work on moderating it.
Sherry said
Once again you have given me food for thought.
I am of the Greek thought, “In all things moderation.” Perhaps a moderate about of greed has its place.
Sherry
anthonynorth said
Hi Sherry,
Thanks for that. Yes, I’m sure it does – consider the most enjoyable memories from a slightly exuberant night out. Just now and again, it adds so much joy to life.
JarieLyn said
Greed. What a great subject. Attaining extreme wealth and hanging onto it does not signify greed to me. In my viewpoint it represents hard work and responsibility. Too many people think that because one has millions or billions of dollars that that makes him greedy. It just isn’t so. Some of the most generous people on this earth are also some of the most wealthy. It’s just that the media portrays the most negative traits of the wealthy and everyone else in the wealth category gets stereo typed to be greed ridden. Believe me, I know that greed is a bad thing and there are many greedy people out there, but the poorest of people can be driven by greed as well. Why do you think there are so many people in jail for petit theft, embezzlement, etc. Thieves are driven by greed, and when greed takes over, you don’t care who gets hurt and you won’t let anything stand in the way of getting what you want.
I really hate it that people think that greediness is only linked to the very wealthy. Maybe those people should pick up a copy of Success Magazine or read the millionaire next door to know that these are people who came from nothing just like they did. The only difference is that they kept improving upon themselves and were driven by ambition, not greed. They were driven by long term goals, not by immediate gratification. And I could go on and on but I’ll probably piss a lot of people off.
I apologize for my rant on your comment section.
anthonynorth said
Hi JarieLyn,
Don’t apologise, this is a blog for debate. The main point I’m making is that the ‘ethic’ of modern capitalism seems to be about greed, excess, etc. I don’t doubt there are many philanthropists among the rich, but point out that initially capitalism was devised to be tempered by an institutional ethic of thrift. As such, philanthropy, in the original model, is not supposed to be so much a choice, but a duty.
Selma said
I agree with you about philanthropy. Hear hear!
Your story about the wrong number rang true for me. Wrong numbers have caused a lot of problems for people I know. It is very easy to jump to conclusions with a wrong number. LOved the sinister tone!
anthonynorth said
Hi Selma,
Thanks for that. Yes, the most ridiculous things can lead to the most horrendous outcomes.
Judi said
I’m not suggesting I get all my information from movies, but I don’t hear the word greed without thinking of Gordon Gekko’s speech in “Wall Street”. I seem to associate greed with money, but Gekko also mentions the greed for life and knowledge in that speech. It will be interesting to see what Stone does in Wall Street 2. He certainly has a wealth of material available to him.
Michael Moore’s film “Capitalism: A Love Story” opens October 1st.
Good G!
anthonynorth said
Hi Judi,
Thanks for that comment. Yes, what I’m really talking about, here, is, of course, excess – in anything.
barbara_y said
Was “starchild” your rwp image poem? I’m a little lost in all your postings?
anthonynorth said
Hi Barbara,
Yes, that’s right.
Derrick said
Hello Anthony,
Enjoyed reading Polly Ticks. As for pint glasses, we always legislate for the minority; the new licensing laws are exactly that. Star child is great; we have to remember that we are all part of the whole.
anthonynorth said
Hi Derrick,
Thanks for that. Yes, we do always legislate for the minority, but once upon a time this used to be balanced by a majority feeling. Now I suspect legislators think: what majority?
gautami tripathy said
Feels good to come again and re-read your post!
geometry of fireworks cuts into me
anthonynorth said
Hi Gautami,
Many thanks. Hope it was still a rewarding read.
nathan said
A lot to comment on here. I would wonder, though, if the capitalism we experience today is not an inevitable state of affairs given its origins.
anthonynorth said
Hi Nathan,
Many thanks. Yes, you’ve got a point. A system that encourages excess will create excess. I guess the point is no single system can ever be right. We need balance in a multi-system world.
Dave Jarecki said
I think greed is a natural offshoot of our innate desire as an organism to survive. My chickens are greedy – I put them in the yard, they eat all the grass. The baby crying through the window is greedy – she wants her mother’s breast. We become cultured and civilized, no longer monkeys pummeling one another with bones around the water hole, but our greed manifests in new ways.
I appreciate your desire to write about greed the way that you do. My question for you is, Is greed an urge, as you call it, or is greed something else that feeds and fuels our urges?
poetryaboutart said
I love “from tribal chant to quantum song.” I may carry that phrase around with me for a long time to come. You prove with “Starchild” that a large, busy image can inspire a small, quiet poem.
anthonynorth said
Hi Dave,
Thanks for that comment. You’re talking, I think, about cause and effect. My own opinion is greed is an inate urge, but it can be turned into something much more extreme in a culture that celebrates it.
Hi Poetryaboutart,
Thanks for those kind words. They are much appreciated.
wayne said
hmmmmmmmmmm GREED….not sure if its all bad…but it is bad..maybe all bad…capitalism..consumerism…hmmmmay its alllllllllll bad…anyways enjoyed reading Anthony…and THANKS for reading my words….you are very encouraging Anthony
Francis Scudellari said
I enjoyed the message of Starchild. I could definitely use some atoning on the fractured living front.
Annamari said
I like your comment on greed. Ad totally agree with your point. It is good to have stuff, but if one is deemed good based on how much stuff one has -well …
anthonynorth said
Hi Wayne,
Thanks for that. And all views welcome here.
Hi Francis,
Many thanks. I think many of us are in the same position there.
Hi Annamari,
That’s a good way of putting it. Many thanks.