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THE BUBBLE UNIVERSE

Posted by anthonynorth on December 31, 2008

galaxy2 Does a spider exist in the same universe as a human being? In one sense, yes, we can splat them. They can scare us. So in some physical way we exist side by side in the same world, the same universe.
But does this extend to our appreciation of reality? Does a spider intuit the same universe as a human? Does it inhabit, experience and understand in the same way as us? This, we have to conclude, is doubtful.

There is an important point here.

alpha-spider-web1Much of the way we see the universe is based on our knowledge of it. Indeed, reality is a compromise between how the universe thinks it ‘is’, and how we appreciate how it ‘is’.
Reality – the universe – becomes a subtle construct based upon our consensual view of it, combined with universal realities that help to fashion the consensus. When a scientist talks about ‘laws of nature’, he isn’t exactly being honest. Some can be obviously seen as such – things fall – but other ‘laws’ are based on theory, and are the laws of ‘man’.

Consensual realities are not exact.

The human race itself lives in a cauldron of conflicting consensual realities, the most obvious being the ‘scientific’ and the ‘religious’. In either case, the ‘realities’ of our knowledge confirm the paradigm.
It is almost as if reality is like a vacuum – and knowledge abhors a vacuum, if I may paraphrase a famous scientific ‘law’. ‘Reality’ is flooded with how we think it ‘is’. And the ‘observer’ becomes intrinsic to the ‘reality’ we think we experience.

Let’s go back to the spider.

We can now see that it is feasible to say it doesn’t exist in the same reality as us, and the religionist doesn’t live in the same reality as the scientist. Rather, differing realities co-exist, intermingle, but are fundamentally different.
It is almost as if there are societal ‘bubbles’ of knowledge. But we can complicate the subject even more than this. I’ve written in the past of how the ‘law of large numbers’ leads to greater order dependent on increasing numbers involved.

sage I’ve applied this to the universe.

In effect, the universe could be made of layered constructs, with a lifeform being less ordered than a species; a species less ordered than a planet, a planet less ordered than a solar system, etc.
This is actually understood in ecology. Existence is constructed of interlaced ecosystems, each reliant on the other, and extending from the planetary ecosystem to the fungi between your toes. And it is unlikely that it understands its existence causes the higher function of a human scratching it because it itches.
The ‘systems’ of ecosystems can, I think, be transferred to the argument I am raising here. We can exist in our own ecosystem, which we recognize both physically and intellectually, but we could also, unbeknown to us, also exist in an ever-increasing number of ecosystems both parallel to ours, and larger with higher function.
We may well appreciate some effects ‘physically’ from those higher systems – for instance, we experience wider influences such as light and gravity (whatever they are), but this does not mean that our ‘understanding’, based on our own little ‘system’ is anything like as high as the larger interlinked systems ‘appreciate’ and react to.
Rather, from differing paradigms, thru lifeforms, to the nature of the universe itself, we could be part of an interlinked web of existences, which we have barely begun to experience and conceive. Existence, good reader, could well be ‘bubbled’.

© Anthony North, December 2008

38 Responses to “THE BUBBLE UNIVERSE”

  1. You present a logical and thoughtful construct that “existence could well be bubbled.” If I were back in philisophy class (which I loved BTW), I’d plunge forth with discussion. However, that is easiest in conversation for me, so I shall simple applaud this “food for thought” post and extend it into how we should realize our universe, our life, our bubble could so easily be popped if we do not exercise and research precautions.

    Happy New Year, Anthony! (I’m here via the Poetry Train Revisited site, but I enjoy the variety of material to read on your blog.)

  2. Hi GeL,
    Thanks for that. I suppose, if there is a message in this post, it should be that, no matter what ‘philosophy’ or paradigm we base our knowledge on, we should place a little humility upon it. ‘Cos we just don’t know what lies above.

  3. Twilight said

    Deep thoughts, AN! 🙂

    You wrote:
    We can exist in our own ecosystem, which we recognize both physically and intellectually, but we could also, unbeknown to us, also exist in an ever-increasing number of ecosystems both parallel to ours, and larger with higher function.

    I can get my head around this best by visualising the number of cells in my body, each a small universe in itself, expanding to my complete body of millions of cells, an interwoven universe, which in turn is linked to all those other bodies, making one “human species body”, which is maybe just one tiny cell of a humungous body at another level of the universe. The human species might be something akin to a toenail of some other being, which in turn is…….and on and on…..to infinity.

    Am I understnding your vision – or have I gone off at a tangent, AN ?

  4. TheDeeZone said

    Interesting site. TY for stopping by.

  5. tobeme said

    Tony,
    Excellent observations on reality. You have done a very good job illustrating our understanding of reality. Thank-you and Happy New Year!

  6. Hi Twilight,
    Yes, I think that fits rather nicely – which makes a nonsense of the ‘selfish gene’, I think.

    Hi TheDeeZone,
    Thanks for that, and you’re welcome.

  7. Hi Mark,
    Long time no see. I really must get round more often. If only I could appreciate time as more infinite 😉
    Thanks for the kind comment, and a Happy New Year to you.

  8. You are always very deep in your thought process, but this one is very deep. I’ve never really thought of this before. Very interesting indeed. Shuffles off to ponder about this post.

    Have a terrific day and a very Happy New Year Anthony. 🙂

  9. Hi Sandee,
    Yes, I like going deep sometimes. Amazing what you can intuit down there 😉
    And a Happy New Year to you!

  10. Rossa said

    Love the “bubble” idea. So whatever reality is for us, animals, insects, bacteria, atoms etc it is like a bubble within a bigger bubble, within……

    Could you also translate that into dimensions? If we are in 4 dimensions (inluding time), then maybe the bigger bubble our reality bubble is in could be 5, then 6, then 7 or even more dimensions, but we just don’t “see” it that way. So all around us are other dimensions but until we take the blinkers off we can’t see them.

    As Twilight says if you take it down to cellular level then back out again the reality/dimension changes. So who’s looking down the microscope at us?

    Of course, then you’re getting into the realms of time travel and whether all time exists at the “same” time, past, present and future, just in another dimension….but that’s for another day or should I say now another year.

    Happy New Year and a Hootenanny to you and yours!!

  11. Hi Rossa,
    I covered the ‘same time’ aspect of this idea here:

    THE ETERNAL NOW

    You may find it interesting. As for the other dimensions, theoretical physicists are already talking of eleven dimensions in order for the math of the universe to work.
    I suspect we’ve hardly touched the surface of what really ‘is’.
    And a Happy New Year to you.

  12. paisley said

    a most interesting analogy… i will have to really give the bubble theory some real thought….

  13. krizcpec said

    while I need some more time to digest your article, I am still fully able to wish you a happy 2009 and thank you for visiting my blog.

  14. Hi Paisley,
    Indeed. I do go deep now and again, don’t I? I can’t help it.

    Hi Krizcpec,
    And the same to you.

  15. John Ryan said

    My first introduction to this type of mental exercise was the old ‘Flatland’ series, in which the reader was asked to visualize living in a two-dimensional world. Then came the ‘tesseract’ (sp.?) which was a 3-D model of the shadow cast by a 4-D object (a 3-D object casts a 2-D shadow; some math guy just took it to the next level, I suppose). Our realities are based on our perceptions, however limited they may be, and there lies the quandry. Thinking “outside the box” is no longer fashionable; we are told what our reality is to be. I’m a strong proponent of the adage “nothing is as it seems”. But regardless of what our reality is, I wish you and your readers the very best of all possible realities for the New Year! Thanks, Anthony…

  16. Hi John,
    This is the problem. I’ve no problem with science working within our ‘reality’, and coming up with practical solutions and ideas, but their insistence that this is it is wrong.
    Philosophy used to expand the boundaries, and it is this that is now shunned – and what I’m all about. It HAS value.
    And the best of all possible realities in the New Year to you, too.

  17. Linda G said

    Hi Anthony,

    Enjoyed your piece- which I agree with totally.

    RE “Existence, good reader, could well be ‘bubbled’”
    As a philospher you know we all each individually exist in our own bubble. This may frighten some, but it is one of the few absolute truths. We can only “share” our experiences, our life on this planet- & thus gain consensus. But the consensus we gain is always governed by the paradigms “‘Reality’ is flooded with how we think it ‘is’. And the ‘observer’ becomes intrinsic to the ‘reality’ we think we experience.” It’s so circular.

    That is why philosophy is so integral to scientific endeavor. But nowadays I think the scientific community has lost its philosophical foundation. The ancient Greeks well understood this connection.

    I’m sure there is a larger reality “out there”. How we can tap into it is beyond my understanding. That is why I like Desiderata so much, especially the line that “the UNIVERSE is unfolding as it should”.

    Mankind will never, no matter how hard it strives, be able to put a kink in that.

  18. And everyone looked at me funny when I said my sister wasn’t a lier, she just lived in a different reality from the rest of us.

  19. Travis said

    Quite a fascinating analysis.

    Although, I will admit that I would like my perception of this universe to be devoid of any spiders.

    Happy 2009!

  20. Rossa said

    Thanks for the link to your other post Anthony.

    Interesting ideas which seem to be touching on harmonics or if you like the “vibrations” of light measured in numbers i.e. the speed of light = 144,000. In the same way that sound is measured in hertz i.e. the number of cycles of vibration that make up a (musical) note. All the notes in a scale/octave are made up of increasing (larger) numbers and so on.

    You said…”There is a ‘law of large numbers’ which argues that greater order arises out of greater numbers of things.”

    Have you heard of the Hundredth Monkey effect, think it was Dr Rupert Sheldrake that used this experiment to establish the critical mass i.e. numbers of monkeys, where “group order/instinct” takes over.

    Which leads me on to the 7 clusterings you have identified. Surely we can go lower than mankind. You could start with the so called “cosmic soup” with the elements needed for life such as earth, air, fire and water etc. At some point the elements needed to create life combined. Was there some sort of awareness or instinctive thing at work at that level that were brought together to form into DNA?

    Then there is everything from single cells to animals, birds, fish etc that work with a “group mind” which we see as the immune system where cells work together to fight off an infection, the herd instinct or the migrations of birds etc. That demonstrates that there is some form of communication, awareness or consciousness even.

    So man could be on the 3rd level of “awareness” because of our sense of individuality or being separate from each other, a big cause of mankind’s antipathy towards others perceived to be different (just another word for separate?). Some feel we have lost a lot of our group instinct of being together.

    So consciousness could exist at the fundamental level of the universe and it has been argued that it is all around us in the form of energy, though there are many different definitions of what “energy” is or is not!

    I agree we simply live and experience our reality at the level of awareness we have, or at least most of us. But surely that is what evolution is all about. The next question is where will it take us next?

    As for the question about time, even the well known Mayan calendar is made up of about 8 (I think) calendars (or methods of counting in numbers) one of which is now believed to measure celestial time. Could that be Universal time? Which of course then leads onto how a so called primitive culture managed to measure “time” both back into the past and also way into the future. More larger numbers in order!

    Lots of food for thought….I could go on but it is a massive subject(s) and I will look forward to whatever new insights you have in 2009.

  21. Hi Linda,
    Very true. I see the history of knowledge as two extremes, the religious and the scientific, with only a brief flowering of philosophy between the two. I’m convinced that flower must grow again, not to degrade either religion or science, but just to take off the absoluteness; resurrect doubt and humility.

    Hi Alice,
    I really couldn’t comment on the specifics here, but we all have our own view of reality.

    Hi Travis,
    Yes, they’re creepy crawly things. Shiver!!!
    And a Happy New Year to you.

    Hi Rossa,
    You’ve touched on many subjects I’ve covered in the past and will do so again. Might I suggest, if you’re interested, that you click on THE UNEXPLAINED at top of this site and access the categories in my ‘speculative essays’. All reasonably short, you might find them interesting.

  22. Nicole said

    This is definately an interesting interpretation of the universe. Who really knows how true it can be. But I think overall, it would help both the scientific community and religious establishments to think in terms of this. If you really think about it, the more we learn and discover, the more there is to learn and discover.

    Great post. Thanks for giving my brain a work out.

  23. Hi Nicole,
    Thanks for that kind comment, and you’re welcome.

  24. Dantheman said

    Very interesting AN. I completely agree with the ecosystem theory. The beginning puzzled my a little. The Scientist and the religious may have different perceptions but the reality is still the same. The apple falls and a religious person may say that g-d intended it to fall. The Scientist would use mathematics to show the law of gravity. Either way, the reality is that the apple fell. Laws are not theories as mentioned above. Laws have to be proven before it becomes law. Theories are educated guesses based on observations. Anyway, I truly love the articles. It makes a person think.

  25. Hi Dantheman,
    Thanks for that. I think the main point I was aiming at was ‘perception’ and what we ‘intuit’, which is where the differences between scientist and religionist come in, but yes, in terms of definite observable laws, you’re right.

  26. Dan said

    Too many inverted comments and they’re not all necessary (ie. “‘man'”). It’s ok content, but it reads pretentiously, if not a little uneducated.

  27. Dan said

    That’s commas, not comments *

  28. Hi Dan,
    A little uneducated? That’s maybe because I am. I left school at 15 and have had no formal education since. Life brought me to such subjects and I went on to teach myself.

  29. Mloki said

    Hey Tony,just wanted to let you know im still enjoying the site greatly.Still finding out how much i dont know lol.Ive always wondered just how many levels of “reality” there may be.For me its mind boggling.I do appreciate however your take on it.Oh and just as my uneducated opinion goes,i didnt graduate either,i dont think it has a damn thing to do with your ability to be a thinker.Some of the most pompous and closeminded people i know are those that are overeducated. Keep up the good work,Mloki

  30. Hi Mloki,
    Thanks for that kind comment. It’s good to know people are still enjoying my work. As for education, one thing I’ve realised is that it is no indication of wisdom. I’ve known well educated people with little commonsense, and school drop-outs with razor sharp minds.

  31. JPFife said

    Wow. Got to this via a Fortean Times link. Very spooky as a few years ago I had a similar expression of this I was going to use for a short story. (I couldn’t develop it well enough) It was about how we couldn’t be sure of accurate communication with an alien species because we all lived in different perceptual bubbles. What’s spooky is that I was going to use an ant instead of a spider as a simile. It went like this: The protagonist says a man and an ant are facing each other. The man looks down and sees an ant. If the ant looks up what does it see? In the story I was going to have a character say ‘a man’ to be then corrected by the protagonist who explains that an ant would “think” like a horizontal six legged being and might not even recognise the man as separate from the surrounding environment seeing that the man is visually two legged, vertical and thousands of times the size of the ant. If the ant can’t even recognise the man how could it communicate with a man? There is a vast perceptual gulf. I suppose there’s no escaping this conclusion as not only does our environment affect our outlook but our mental selves will also affect our outlook. Definitely bookmarking this blog.

  32. Hi JPFife,
    Thanks for the comment, and I look forward to seeing you here again. You should write the story, it sounds great. And to be even more spooky, I was initially going to use an ant, but changed my mind when the spider suggested more of a ‘web’ of realities.

  33. James said

    well your about 4000 years behind in your idea. The true nature of universe has already been revealed, its only peoples ego that stop them from excepting the truth that what they are trying to uncover now has already been uncovered.

    theres an ancient science unknown to the masses of this world. Its now been revealed after 6000 years of its birth. For first time its now opened it doors to anyone to study.

  34. Hi James,
    I beg to differ. I’m not 4,000 years behind at all. The knowledge you speak of, best expressed in the Hermetica, is, as you said, revealed. We live in different times today.
    What I’m about is finding a reasoned exlanation through philosophy. If that is achieved, science will take it more seriously and we could end up with a proveable understanding.
    The nature of knowledge changes – and as such, the way we interpret.

  35. James said

    anthonynorth your absolutely correct in everything you say. Good luck with your search.

  36. Hi James,
    Thanks for that. Hope you call here again.

  37. Chiron613 said

    I just wanted to clarify something. Scientists seldom actually talk about “laws of nature”. They usually talk about the Second Law of Thermodynamics, or Newton’s First Law of Motion, and so on. In that sense, they’re being quite honest in acknowledging that these “laws” are man-made. Moreover, they are subject to change if evidence requires it.

    When they speak of “laws”, scientists are talking about observations that are so consistent that they’re considered almost requirements. The “laws” of thermodynamics are considered almost inevitable. Experiments that seem to refute these laws would be seriously challenged because those particular laws seem so immutable. However, if the experiments can be reproduced, and if no flaws or alternate explanations can be devised, eventually those laws would have to fall.

    As for the “universe” – well, as J.B.S. Haldane said, “Now, my own suspicion is that the universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose.” I think any notions we have of the Universe are always going to be incomplete and incorrect.

  38. Hi Chiron613,
    Thanks for that. However, I think, in the main, scientists do consider ‘provable’ laws to be of nature as well as man. As for experiments to prove or disprove a theory, these are devised in terms of a hypothesis, which itself is based on a particularly human form of consensus. This consensus holds values, and I suspect that if something seems to go against those values, it will not even be considered.
    It is inevitable, scientists being human.
    Now, is that a law of nature or man, I wonder 😉

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