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CAN ENTITIES HURT?

Posted by anthonynorth on July 6, 2008

Psychic entities can come in many forms, varying from incubi, to ghosts, to aliens, and even the ‘hallucinations’ conjured up by a magical adept. Yet the most virulent tend to appear during poltergeist infestations.
Occasionally such entities go further than simply being seen. There are attested cases of such entities actually hurting people, even leaving marks on the body. Does this suggest the entities are real, or can other elements explain the phenomenon?

To me, such entities are basically hallucinations.

The mind constantly interprets the data received from the senses, but should that data be interrupted, such as through tiredness, altered states, natural illusion, etc, a strange phenomenon occurs.
The mind begins to fill in the gaps of the missing data. This additional material can come from culture, or the person’s own fears. But what is then experienced is more than what is actually out there. Such a process is not ‘madness’, or anything like that, but what I class as a moment of sensory re-calibration.

What properties does such a hallucination have?

Most people think of a hallucination as something seen. In most cases, this is, indeed, all that is experienced. But a particularly intense hallucination can be much more than this.
It can have an effect on all the senses. In other words, it can be seen, heard, smelled, and even felt. And it is in this last sensory element that the question – can entities hurt – takes on a new meaning.

If something can be felt, does it work the other way round?

In other words, can you feel it if it touches you? Certainly, pleasure can be experienced through entity hallucination. This is often recounted in cases of incubi and succubi – entities that come at night and have sex with you.
Hence, if it can happen in terms of pleasure, it can surely happen in terms of hurt. So if all the senses are involved, and you hallucinate an entity which scratches you, for instance, then it is likely you would feel it.

Bearing this in mind, would it leave a scar?

Well, according to the testimony of many who have experienced the poltergeist, yes it can – the marks I have already alluded to. But how is this possible? Surely this is going further than simple sensory stimuli.
Hypnosis may be able to help here. It is known that, in certain circumstances, a hypnotized person has experienced suggested pain, and had a bodily reaction to go along with it. The suggestion of burning, for instance, has produced marks on the body.
Indeed, there is one phenomenon where such bodily reactions are infamous, even to the point of bleeding. This is Stigmata – the manifestation of the wounds of Christ.
No one knows exactly how Stigmata work, but that it does is well attested. And the most likely answer to the phenomenon is hysterically based religious fervour – in other words, a deep cultural belief.
Applying this process to entities, then yes, a hallucinated entity could well hurt, and leave marks as if it was real. But rather than automatically accepting it as a definite supernatural being, it can just as easily be psychological in nature. It’s just that psychology is rather more virulent than we presently accept.

© Anthony North, July 2008

24 Responses to “CAN ENTITIES HURT?”

  1. Interesting, Anthony. I believe heartily that we underestimate the power of the mind to create our world, even our physical experience. You provide plenty to think about.

  2. Hi Sandy,
    It’s a fascinating subject. I’m convinced that the relationship between mind and reality in the true undiscovered country. We haven’t even touched the surface yet.

  3. Twilight said

    I find myself going along with you on this AN.

    I’m often struck, when watching TV documentaries about UFOs, alien visitors and other such mysteries, by the sincerity of those interviewed who claim to have experienced “things”, likewise by those who have observed stigmata, results of poltergeist activity etc. This obvious sincerity is the one reason I’ve kept an open mind on these topics.

    Your theory fits, especially so because I think it has already been proved that the mind CAN control bodily functions, for example, blood pressure, by bringing it down by force of will. There’s also the matter of yogis walking on hot coals and performing other amazing feats (no pun intended).

  4. Hi Twilight,
    Indeed. And I often think that if sceptics could get past the ‘showbiz’ element of the paranormal, and actually looked at those millions of ordinary people who experience, and are deeply affected, by such things, they’d begin to change their minds.
    Sadly, though, the reality of such cases seems to conflict with their paradigm, so they are happy to just think ‘showbiz’ and forget it. A great shame.
    One point on fire walking, though. There is a known effect – can’t remember the name right now; Leadenfrost Effect, or something like that – where intense heat on sweat vapourises it and forms a cushion from heat. As long as the foot isn’t in contact with the coals for more than a second at a time, physics can answer that one.
    Mindst you, with the other abilities of the yogi, we’re into a different, and more fascinating, realm altogether. Equally, Biofeedback, and thought control of bodily function, shows some amazing abilities in itself, as you suggest.

  5. Mark Baard said

    Great topic, great feedback!

    I read about this Vanderbilt U. study last week, which found that our expectations affect our vision:

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/07/080703145849.htm

    keep it up, anthony!

  6. Hi Mark,
    Thanks for that. It’s an interesting study you’ve linked to. Well worth the read. Slowly – very slowly – the veil on the role of the mind is being drawn back.

  7. Paracelse said

    Hi Anthony
    I have read few books by Tom Lethbridge who had a particular notion about Ghosts Gouls and even poltergeist. He thought they were a magnetic residue in walls or even in rocks. He made an interesting point of noticing the often presence of water near by.

  8. What happens when exorcists cast out such entities? Is it just removing them from the person’s thought life?

  9. Hi Paracelse,
    Lethbridge was one of the most under-valued researchers in this field, I think. He did some marvellous work. I don’t always agree with his ideas – particularly on the pendulum and other worlds – but he was a great inspiration to anyone interested in such subjects.
    As to his ‘ghoul’ theory, if I remember right, he argued emotions can be trapped in an electric field in an environment. As we also have such a field, entering one can cause the emotion to pass, thus prompting unusual thoughts, or even hallucinations of what caused the emotion.

    Hi Gary,
    Yes, I’d say that’s about right. In effect, he’s suggesting it goes, by providing a more convincing thought pattern in the mind of the possessed.

  10. Selma said

    The mind is such a powerful tool. We are not even close to understanding the depth and breadth of it. I believe that the mind does have a lot to do with our experience of entities and whether or not we have a physical reaction to them. Look at curses – how many people, particularly with regard to voodoo, sicken or die when they are cursed because they BELIEVE they will. Such a fascinating area.

  11. Hi Selma,
    The curse thing is definitely another related factor. There’s a little known condition called ‘vegal inhibition’. Caused by a sense of hopelessness, the autonomic nervous system begins to shut down. Eventually, death can be the result.
    To believe you are cursed is a classic case of a sense of hopelessness.

  12. Brian said

    “Seeing is believing” and there are many cases where that is proved to be merely fantasy. But still we look for some explanation beyond our knowledge. I do think that there are phenomenon that have yet to be explained.

  13. Hi Brian,
    Absolutely. All I do is look at a phenomenon, then compare what appears to ‘happen’ with what our present knowledge says can happen. Then I nudge it on just a small step.
    I suspect there are many steps to take after that. And even then we most likely won’t know what it’s all about.

  14. alexjc38 said

    Fascinating subject. A similar thing to the incubus/succubus notion is the entity many people report sitting on them during episodes of sleep paralysis. A hallucination perhaps, or some sort of astral creature (a lurker at the threshold, as it were)? Fuseli’s 1781 painting The Nightmare depicts this. So yes – hallucination or not, these things can touch you!

  15. Hi Alex,
    Indeed. Regarding sleep paralysis, and what can be experienced externally, I often wonder if this is a sleepy mind rationalising the lack of movement.
    In some way I think the possibility of the psychology here is even more intriguing than the ‘supernatural’ possibilities.

  16. baz said

    hi anthony

    i think that most of us know of, or believe in the power of the mind. what we don’t seem to see is the purpose of the experiences, mainly they all prove there is something else going on, even if unseen. nightmares appeare to wake you from sleep so you can change position, or accomplish a task, every one of us has erotic dreams, incubuses and sucubuses are a product of the monestry. if hollywood’s portayal of what we can expect in the next existance is correct, i’m not going.

    remember you are god

    baz

  17. Hi Baz,
    The point of it all fascinatss me as much as the experience. Tentatively, some researchers are looking for survival values behind the experiences, but they all seem to fail, mainly because they’re trapped in the idea of us as individuals.
    I try to go beyond that in searching for possibilities in the question, why?
    If I ever find the definitive answer, I’ll let you know 😉

  18. njguy said

    I’m totally comfortable saying that many personal experiences people have regarding anything “paranormal” are created and perceived within their own minds.

    However, I can NOT say, with confidence, that explains away everything people have experienced within this realm. I’m not a believer in our minds capacity to actually create or produce matter. I’ve never seen solid evidence that our brains are capable of such things.

    In the end, I do believe many personal experiences can be naturally explained away with an active / altered mind, it does not, however, explain ALL of the experiences people have had.

    A skeptic sees this issue as a general, broad area – matrixing – tricks of a complicated system (brain) – but their fault starts by not addressing, directly, ALL of the evidence. I’ve seen far too many conditions/studies that shows their is something that exists on its own, outside our realm of influence. Not generated, manipulated, or conceived by our minds. Something totally independent.

    Again, I’m not sure what your beliefs are, but your posts, at the very least, get people to think. Thinking can never be a bad thing. That’s the main problem with most Skeptics. Skeptics get to a certain point, one they’re comfortable with, then stop thinking all together. Their minds were made up long before they ever examined anything.

    Sounds pretty sad to me. As far as I am concerned, our abilities to live our life to the fullest comes from understanding life in general. It’s not a once and done proposition. We are ever evolving. And we are responsible for our own paths, and do one elses.

    Hope that makes sense to some one out there.

  19. Hi Njguy,
    Thanks for that comment. I completely agree with you that too many sceptics do not go far enough. Yes, I’m sceptical about some areas of study, but I hope I am always prepared to say there is more to know.
    Can it all be explained by the brain? No! For a start I’m not convinced ‘mind’ is in the brain. I think it goes much further than that. Which I suppose is my main point.
    I always try to compare a phenomenon with the knowledge we already know, and then nudge it forwards a step. This is where many people label me a sceptic. But this is the way to take knowledge forwards. Too big a leap goes beyond knowledge to belief.
    So I’ll always take those small steps, regardless. But hopefully I’ll also extend what the mind is capable of, for regardless what we eventually end up with in terms of understanding of the paranormal, we WILL experience it through mind.

  20. njguy said

    Thanks Anthonynorth. I appreciate the response. When I read my response a day after posting it, I realized how long winded I can be. Especially about this subject.

    I do have an additional comment for you. I’d be interested in hearing your take on it if you have the time.

    I say, as a society, we do NOT want the afterlife to become common, scientific knowledge.

    I think many people can understand and appreciate the existence of an afterlife. For some it gives hope where none can exist. For others, like me, it makes us want to live this life to the absolute fullest, knowing how important it is to take advantage of the short period of time that we’re here.

    I am scared beyond words if this belief became common knowledge. I think the fear of death is an important aspect of life here. What would it be like if everyone knew there was something after this world. Living life with NO fear of death.

    I think you would see suicides become common place. I also think those who seek shortcuts in life, will have no problem taking them knowing that no matter what happens, they’ll be OK. No remorse.

    What are your thoughts about that? Do you think that this belief is not meant for everyone? Do you think it would be dangerous for us, as a people, to know that there’s an existence beyond this life?

    I’m curious what your thoughts are. Thanks!

  21. Hi Njguy,
    A searching comment. Interestingly, we are the first known society to NOT believe, generally, in afterlife. So to KNOW it exists, whether through belief or knowledge appraisal, does not seem to have overly affected people in the past in the way you suppose.
    Admittedly, a knowing of afterlife has usually run alongside a form of ‘judgement’ upon death, requiring certain things in life in order to go to heaven, for instance.
    As for your question, we are a curious species, and if there is a way to know, we will take it. But I think the universe is wise to us. Knoweldge, I suspect, is never ending, and even if we ever had some knowledge of afterlife, it would hardly touch the surface. The mysteries of life, and death, will never be fully understood, I’m sure.

  22. […] are attested cases of entities hurting people, even leaving marks on the body. Anthony North at Beyond the Blog claims that this phenomenon is akin to stigmata and that entities are hallucinations. Sometimes, […]

  23. Ryan Cow said

    Having had more than a few frightening “sleep paralysis” dreams and had one dream entity, a female demon, suck the breath from my mouth. I can readily believe that mentally made monsters may manage to mangle the odd dreamer or two!:0

  24. Hi Ryan,
    An interesting experience.

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